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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Indeed... which strongly points to civil war, which we would not like to be our legacy in Iraq. |
Well a very wise man once said: "You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you get what you need."
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of naught
Aug 2001
time: 22:37
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
It's only natural that the rest of the peoples of the world feel joy at an American defeat. Not merely because we are the top dog, which means everyone wants to see us taken down a peg or two, but also because it is in their best interests that the hegemon be defeated. All other countries will be freer to act when Rome is afraid to use its power. |
What replaced Pax Romanum?
My only wish is that those who yearn for the decline could be left alone to feel the effects. Unfortunately, that's not how it's gonna work.
Last edited by notyoueither on 24-08-2005 at 08:04
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Geronimo
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st cloud USA
Jan 1970
time: 05:37
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Originally posted by notyoueither
You aren't gonna get it, despite the best intentions. |
They will in the short term and at the speed military forces can become obsolete these days that is probably the best they can hope for.
Why are you so convinced that if the western countries slack off they will surely find themselves in a war? Are there really any large countries left with governments that imagine they would have anything tangible to gain from such a war?
When Pax Romana crapped out there weren't any nukes to scare leaders into accepting the status quo.
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st cloud USA
Jan 1970
time: 05:37
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Originally posted by notyoueither
And when many small men have nukes and the status quo goes away? |
I think containing nuke proliferation is the one goal whose pay off would be large enough to pay for the US's enormous military.
However, nothing the US is seriously considering doing is going to put a dent in nuke proliferation but all of the recent campaigns have probably inadvertently resulted in an acceleration of efforts to obtain nukes by those closest to obtaining them.
Better to do nothing at all than follow the current course.
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:37
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Originally posted by lord of the mark
in the January election Kurds and Shiites voted en masse without a gun being held to their heads. |
Yeah, but according to Sy Hersh, it seems to have been a sham election.
Also, according to Hersh, the insurgents are saving themselves for a nationwide "Tet" offensive.
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topeka, kansas,USA
May 1999
time: 23:37
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If by "work" you mean that there will eventually be one or more stable governments ruling what is now Iraq, then you're surely right. Stable governments are no big deal; Saudi Arabia, Iran, and North Korea all have them. |
Stability at the point of a gun is not what I have in mind.
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But the question is, will these governments be friends of the US, or enemies? Will they be buffers against Islamicist terrorism, or sources of it? Will the world be a safer place because they exist, or an even more dangerous one than it was when Saddam was around? |
Dont know much about Muslims but I do know people from that part of the world and they aren't ingrates. You help them and they will need a helluva good reason to not support you in the future - its an honor thing. Bush the Elder stabbed them in the back in the name of stability, Bush the Younger liberated them.
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And the biggie: did young men and women fight and die advancing US interests, or inadvertently setting them back? It seems very plausible right now, unfortunately, that the latter option is the likelier one in each of those questions. |
Time will tell, the way this war was bungled I have little faith in Bush. But now its in the hands of the Iraqis and I do have faith in them.
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