31-08-2005 09:58									#331
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But the next time I hear someone say "people rise to the occasion" on TV, I'm going to fly to CNN headquarters and strangle them. Is there a contest for the most awful cliche you can say in the middle of a natural disaster?

In the next hurricane:
Wolf Blitzer LIVE from Wherever, FL - "This storm is REALLY DANG STRONG"
CNN hq girl - "It doesn't look like it on the video feed! You must be PULLING MY LEG ar har har har har"
Wolf - "No, it's bad! This is a SINK OR SWIM situation ROFFLE"
CNN hq - "You know they say SWIMMING IS THE BEST FORM OF EXERCISE" *falls out of chair, has concussion*

Had some steam...

	31-08-2005 10:00									#332
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To give you some perspective, the 17th street levee breach probably flooded out and destroyed my parent's home. They wanted to sell it anyway so don't feel bad for them.

With electricity and cell phones down, it is impossible to get much info out of the city. I have heard schools are closed until Dec 1 perhaps and that city is "closed" until Oct 1.

If the army can't clog the levees then the city - as in, every home in it and nearby - will not be the same for months..

Sidenote; I know a Colonel who is barricaded in his house with firearms, spooking or firing at looters, god bless his soul. He even has a samurai sword in case his guns jam, to give you an idea of the situation on the ground.

One thing that impresses me is how many people, who are safe from the storm, are concerned about Mississippi and Louisiana. It is not easy to be concerned about things that do not affect you.

	31-08-2005 10:31									#333
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quote: Children's Hospital under seige Tuesday, 11:45 p.m. Late Tuesday, Gov. Blanco spokeswoman Denise Bottcher described a disturbing scene unfolding in uptown New Orleans, where looters were trying to break into Children's Hospital. Bottcher said the director of the hospital fears for the safety of the staff and the 100 kids inside the hospital. The director said the hospital is locked, but that the looters were trying to break in and had gathered outside the facility. The director has sought help from the police, but, due to rising flood waters, police have not been able to respond. Bottcher said Blanco has been told of the situation and has informed the National Guard. However, Bottcher said, the National Guard has also been unable to respond.

http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breaki..._08.html#075292

	31-08-2005 10:53									#334
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf To give you some perspective, the 17th street levee breach probably flooded out and destroyed my parent's home. They wanted to sell it anyway so don't feel bad for them.

Kinda a harsh way of looking at it. t

quote: With electricity and cell phones down, it is impossible to get much info out of the city. I have heard schools are closed until Dec 1 perhaps and that city is "closed" until Oct 1. If the army can't clog the levees then the city - as in, every home in it and nearby - will not be the same for months..

More like years with the extent of damage re:chemical pollution.

quote: Sidenote; I know a Colonel who is barricaded in his house with firearms, spooking or firing at looters, god bless his soul. He even has a samurai sword in case his guns jam, to give you an idea of the situation on the ground.

What, does his sword double as a floatation device? Why is he bothering to remain, or does he not live that close to the worse off parts?

quote: One thing that impresses me is how many people, who are safe from the storm, are concerned about Mississippi and Louisiana. It is not easy to be concerned about things that do not affect you.

Yes, because concern for the suffering of our fellow Human beings is such a difficult thing to muster up...

You are such an ass.

	31-08-2005 11:31									#335
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quote: You are such an ass.

That was really uncalled for.

	31-08-2005 11:41									#336
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs You are such an ass.

Yeah, but the important question is, is he a top or bottom?

	31-08-2005 11:50									#337
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell This disaster happened in the USA, where government and private charities can afford to give help...

True, but the question Americans should be asking is why did the levees fail and why wasn't New Orleans better prepared for flooding? Is it really fault of the U.S. Army Engineers as you suggest?

	31-08-2005 12:05									#338
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Most of these kind of things are known to have a chance to be broken, I guess most of these levees were built awhile ago and they haven't been broken for decades. A relatively freak storm with very high water surges might be something they were not built to deal with.

	31-08-2005 12:17									#339
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Louisiana should have taken better care of its golden goose.

	31-08-2005 12:37									#340
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As always, TV barely hints at the magnitude of what you are seeing. By chance, my first visit to both New Orleans and Biloxi occurred a few months ago, and I spent a few nights at a hotel attached to one of those casino barges. That thing was so huge I actually laughed in disbelief when told it was floating. Seeing the TV images of those things tossed around like toys.....it is literally....and I do mean literally, unbelievable.

Our team had dinner at a locally famous restaurant near Biloxi's Hard Rock Casino, and just before the meal the owner came in and gave us a semi-charming little spiel about how he and his mom had hunkered down in one of the upstairs rooms to ride out Camille - even pointing to a line on the wall indicating the high water mark of the surge. This evening I was watching a news report, and the camera was set up right near the Hard Rock and panned several times to show the surrounding area, and it was almost nothing but empty slab.....and I just have a godawful feeling that our dinner host decided to ride out this baby just like he did the last "big'un".

A few prayers for the folks down there wouldn't be amiss.

	31-08-2005 12:53									#341
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quote: Originally posted by Koyaanisqatsi The difference is, you'll be coerced to leave now, and if you don't, the coast guard won't be dropping by anytime soon to give you a ride.

unfortunately that isn't true. The coast guard rescues stupid people all the time.

	31-08-2005 12:54									#342
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell But the next time I hear someone say "people rise to the occasion" on TV, I'm going to fly to CNN headquarters and strangle them. Is there a contest for the most awful cliche you can say in the middle of a natural disaster? In the next hurricane: Wolf Blitzer LIVE from Wherever, FL - "This storm is REALLY DANG STRONG" CNN hq girl - "It doesn't look like it on the video feed! You must be PULLING MY LEG ar har har har har" Wolf - "No, it's bad! This is a SINK OR SWIM situation ROFFLE" CNN hq - "You know they say SWIMMING IS THE BEST FORM OF EXERCISE" *falls out of chair, has concussion* Had some steam...

I hate it when the local people think they're the greatest because they help each other out. New Yorkers thought they were the best people after 9/11. I heard Londerners say the same thing after the bombings last month.

	31-08-2005 12:57									#343
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell I try to always be optimistic... Things can't get worse... The evacuation saved hundreds of thousands of lives... This disaster happened in the USA, where government and private charities can afford to give help... The Army Corps of Engineers is constantly trying to figure out "wtf are we going to do" The Big Easy is just too big. It has incredible culture and history, huge economic significance, a million real live people...I'd say it's ****ed but it's not that bad, we will recover it, it is too necessary.

that's what I like to hear.

Another plus. Greta Van Sustrin has stopped covering the annoying Natalie Hollaway missing girl case in Aruba.

	31-08-2005 13:05									#344
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One more question. Where are you guys getting your information.

You guys seem to be getting better info than me. I've been watching Fox news. And they are the ones that said New Orleans was spared yesterday. Damn Fox News. . My fault for believing them.

MSNBC actually seems to have the best coverage right now. Or do they? And what internet sources are you guys using?

	31-08-2005 13:11									#345
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And that is why getting your news from Teh Internets pwns getting it from cable. The information passes quickly, is updated sooner, but you do have to take it all with a grain of salt: Verification of info takes a little more time.

	31-08-2005 13:19									#346
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okay, which internet sources are you guys using. The only sites I've been using is Drudge report and cnn.com. Drudge is too sensationalist with his headlines. So I tend to not to believe it unless it's from a legit news source.

	31-08-2005 13:32									#347
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god speed you guys !

	31-08-2005 13:33									#348
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I have to say that the lack of planning for this hurricane is absolutely tragic. This was an event that was so predictable and so predicted, that the lack of real preparations are criminal. CNN keeps saying that the authorities are "overwhelmed", as if that is an excuse for the lack of an effective disaster plan. The confusion and lack of coordination of the relief agencies is obvious from watching the news coverage.

A day before the hurricane hit , the mayor of New Orleans said "everyone out", but forgot that 1/3 of the population has no car! There is no plan for those folks at all! The rich and middle income people got out, and the poor were left to drown. So they went to the Superdome, which has since become almost uninhabitable and the authorities have no plan to evacuate the people in it.

I watched the Governor of Mississippi lament the failure of many of his citizens to obey the evacuation order. He seems to have no idea that hundreds of thousands of poor people have no vehicle at all! Why was there not a real mobilization of transportation resources of the several states in time to get these people out? And there is no housing plan for the nearly 1 million people that are now homeless.

If this were not so tragic, it would be laughable. What a farce!

	31-08-2005 13:33									#349
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This is why I ask where you guys get your news. i can't find any news story that said the entire city of New Orleans is being evacuated, or the superdome is being evacuated.

The mayor of New Orleans is on the phone on CNN right now. He's not mentioning any evacuation.

	31-08-2005 13:34									#350
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If you read some of the survivor stories - as well as the pre-storm commentary from the folks who decided to stay home, there's a common thread: People telling tales about how they or some friend or family member survived Camille - the underlying assumption being that she was the biggest baddest storm to ever come down the pike....leaving them unable to visualize the reality of her bigger, badder sister. Until she actually strolled through the front door, packin' 190 gusts and 30 foot surge.

So you could make the case that Camille has actually killed twice.

	31-08-2005 13:35									#351
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Well, I got all my info almost exclusively through DU. Mostly, it was people posting info gotten from news sources in the immediate effected area, one news channel in particular. Also, people were watching the coverage on different channels (FOX, CNN, MSNBC etc.) and posted what they saw for those watching something else. Obviously, not a whole lot of first-hand info was getting through since power is out through much of the region. Even most cellphones don't work since the towers ran out of backup generator power.

	31-08-2005 13:35									#352
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quote: Originally posted by techumseh I have to say that the lack of planning for this hurricane is absolutely tragic. This was an event that was so predictable and so predicted, that the lack of real preparations are criminal. CNN keeps saying that the authorities are "overwhelmed", as if that is an excuse for the lack of an effective disaster plan. The confusion and lack of coordination of the relief agencies is obvious from watching the news coverage. A day before the hurricane hit , the mayor of New Orleans said "everyone out", but forgot that 1/3 of the population has no car! There is no plan for those folks at all! The rich and middle income people got out, and the poor were left to drown. So they went to the Superdome, which has since become almost uninhabitable and the authorities have no plan to evacuate the people in it. I watched the Governor of Mississippi lament the failure of many of his citizens to obey the evacuation order. He seems to have no idea that hundreds of thousands of poor people have no vehicle at all! Why was there not a real mobilization of transportation resources of the several states in time to get these people out? And there is no housing plan for the nearly 1 million people that are now homeless. If this were not so tragic, it would be laughable. What a farce!

I agree, the city should have some sort of bussing plan to get people out. I'm not sure where they could take them too, however...If people can't afford a car, then they can't afford a hotel...

	31-08-2005 13:38									#353
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Why should they have to pay at all? What is your government for?

	31-08-2005 13:39									#354
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I'm sorry to say. But this mayor of New Orleans doesn't seem too bright. He doesn't have a clue where to move the people in the superdome.

	31-08-2005 13:39									#355
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quote: Originally posted by techumseh Why should they have to pay at all? What is your government for?

it's for waging war in Iraq. You've already figured that out by now.

	31-08-2005 13:40									#356
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Through the photos in this slideshow from WWLTV (the "one news channel in particular" I mentioned before) and Google Earth I've found at least two of the levee breaches. Both of them are only a few blocks inland from the lakefront. Not totally suprising; that's where the water pressure would be greatest relative to the overall length of the individual drainage canals.

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quote: Originally posted by Dis I'm sorry to say. But this mayor of New Orleans doesn't seem too bright. He doesn't have a clue where to move the people in the superdome.

Where do you move 1.3 million people made homeless literally overnight?

	31-08-2005 13:42									#358
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs Through the photos in this slideshow from WWLTV (the "one news channel in particular" I mentioned before) and Google Earth I've found at least two of the levee breaches. Both of them are only a few blocks inland from the lakefront. Not totally suprising; that's where the water pressure would be greatest relative to the overall length of the individual drainage canals.

good idea. I think if the people here report new information. They should also post a link to the source.

	31-08-2005 13:43									#359
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs Where do you move 1.3 million people made homeless literally overnight?

He was talking about the people in the superdome. The people who already evacuated the city have to fend for themselves.

	31-08-2005 13:47									#360
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The casinos floated away.

State law requires the casinos to be floating. I never understood that. If you are going to build casinos, do it right. Is it less moral to have casinos sitting on the land of Mississippi rather than in the gulf of Mexico?

Las Vegas has casinos everywhere, and we are a very moral city.