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Why not organize it so that "everybody" in the states refuses to buy fuel for a couple of days, that should piss off the profiteers.

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That, or buy shares in an gas and oil company with the money you would have spent on petrol.

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I just got gas for 3.09 a gallon

Cheapest in the city. There was a 10 minute wait to tank up (due to lineup of cars)

Average price is closer to 3.59

Saw a station at 3.49 which had run out of gas

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How can you guys have $0.50 gas price variations in a single city

There's gotta be like 15 stations in Camden and all of them are $2.99 w/ one at $2.98

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Worse than that; there was a 40 cent price variation from one block to the next...

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Most expensive I saw today was 3.79

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Worse than that; there was a 40 cent price variation from one block to the next...


Was the more expensive station relying on the long lines at the other for business?

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The one at 40 cents higher had already run out of gas.

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Probably, everybody's pricing the gas to the consumer based on the price of their last load from the oil company. When the price of gasoline to the gas station is fluctuating so much from one load to the next, you are going to see price fluctuations to the consumer.

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My petrol has risen by 2p since before the hurricane so far - though I expect more price rises are 'in the pipeline', so to speak...

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Why not organize it so that "everybody" in the states refuses to buy fuel for a couple of days, that should piss off the profiteers.


I'm on it, I haven't bought fuel in a couple of weeks and can go at least one more before I'll want to, and indefinitely before I "have to".

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Got you own stockpile? Walk/cycle to work?

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Oil consumtion has dropped 11% since the beginning of the year here (compared to 2004).

High oil prices is the only thing people understand.

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Gas prices dropped by 20 cents between yesterday and today

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For a good morning laugh, I was reading the morning paper and in the business summary section there was a tease of an article that would finally explain why gas prices rise quickly but are slower to go down. This looked like a must read. THE MYSTERY would finally be explained by known economists.

Here was an excerpt from the article.

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GULF COAST CRISIS
Gasoline rides `rockets and feathers'
You're not imagining things: Prices at the pump are slow to fall

By Robert Manor, Tribune staff reporter. Bloomberg News contributed to this report
Published September 8, 2005


Does it seem that gasoline prices rise just as quickly as petroleum prices, but fall much more slowly when oil prices go down?

The answer is yes, and economists who have studied the issue can explain why.

Lynne Kiesling, senior lecturer of economics at Northwestern University, said the phenomenon of quickly rising but slowly falling gasoline prices at the pump is known as "rockets and feathers." The price rises like a rocket, but falls like a feather.

"We all need to remember that the primary role of prices is to transmit information about scarcity," Kiesling said.

Service station operators, particularly those owned by major oil companies, have nearly instant knowledge about the fluctuating price of wholesale gasoline and are able to raise prices almost in real time.

Kiesling said there is a natural desire not to lower prices too quickly--you make more money that way.

"Profit maximization is the motive of every individual in life," she said. "It's part of human nature."

Stephen Brown, director of energy economics at the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, has studied retail gasoline pricing.

"Gas prices do tend to rise more quickly when oil prices are rising than they fall when oil prices are falling," Brown said.

He said that while prices can shoot up rapidly, it on average takes eight weeks for the decline in price to equal the rise.

Retail gasoline prices rise with wholesale prices more quickly now than in the past.

"It is almost simultaneous," Brown said. "The market has sped up."


The mystery is solved. It's all about profit.
I NEEDED AN ARTICLE BY EXPERTS TO UNRAVEL THIS COMPLEX MYSTERY.

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While the short-term pain is drawing to a close, economists are pretty much telling us that the days of 30$ oil aren't coming back. Get used to 2.70$ gas, because it's not going away.

http://www.cbc.ca/cp/business/050908/b090848.html

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TORONTO (CP) - Oil will likely climb to $84 US a barrel next year, eventually rising to $100 US per barrel by the end of 2007, CIBC World Markets predicted Thursday.

The average West Texas Intermediate oil prices will be affected by both supply and demand factors over the next few years, the study by chief economist Jeff Rubin said.

The study, which predicts oil will average $93 US per barrel in 2007, said prices are "expected to reach or exceed $100 US per barrel by the fourth quarter of that year."

"The devastation to both oilfields and oil industry infrastructure from hurricane Katrina will not only impact current oil production but future production as well," CIBC World Markets said in a release.

"The study expects that planned expansion of production in the Gulf of Mexico over the next two years is likely to be halved; cutting off nearly 300,000 barrels per day of potential future supply. The setbacks to planned expansion of Gulf of Mexico capacity comes on the heels of stagnant production in Russia and tapped out capacity in OPEC."

The study noted that world oil demand is less price sensitive than was thought, "requiring larger than originally anticipated price increases to rein in future demand growth." It linked a declining sensitivity in world oil demand to price and to the growing importance of energy consumption in China.

"While the full economic impact of expected oil price increases is difficult to gauge, at a minimum, the economic drag from higher energy prices should quickly cap rising short-term interest rates in both Canada and the Untied States," Rubin said.

"Apart from possibly one more rate hike on either side of the border, we are likely at a cyclical peak in short-term interest rates thanks to soaring oil prices."

CIBC World Markets is the wholesale banking arm of CIBC (TSX:CM) providing credit and capital markets products, investment banking and merchant banking.

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Basically, demand is inealastic and the growth in demand is going to outstrip the growth in supply...

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Maybe the US markets will start selling more fuel efficient cars now?

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Well, I have to figure something out. I can't afford to drive to school, but so far I haven't figured out how not to. If I can't work it out I might have to drop out. That's no good.

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For a good morning laugh, I was reading the morning paper and in the business summary section there was a tease of an article that would finally explain why gas prices rise quickly but are slower to go down. This looked like a must read. THE MYSTERY would finally be explained by known economists.

Here was an excerpt from the article.



The mystery is solved. It's all about profit.
I NEEDED AN ARTICLE BY EXPERTS TO UNRAVEL THIS COMPLEX MYSTERY.


Ever read the article by an economist explaining why most people stand when on an escalator but walk up stairs?

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Yeah. That one was ridiculous.

No ****ing **** the value measurement is time, not distance.

That's the answer that occured to me as I was reading that article. It took the economists a summer of research to figure that out.

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Nobody knows what the price of oil will be tomorrow or any other time in the future. It's just a SWAG. Even futures markets can go up and down very quickly.

Because of this, quotes like "the days of $30 oil are over" are retarded. Trust me on this, as somebody whose family has been in the oil business for generations.

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Yeah. That one was ridiculous.

No ****ing **** the value measurement is time, not distance.

That's the answer that occured to me as I was reading that article. It took the economists a summer of research to figure that out.



Probably working under a government grant.

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I don't trust you, Dan.

There is unbelievable volatility in the energy market. Of course; that's an effect of inelastic demand.

So unless you can tell me where an ever-increasing supply is going to come from (with growth rate that outpaces demand growth), you're simply proving my point....

Oil might drop to 40$ tomorrow. Or it might go to 100$ tomorrow. But 30$ is long gone, except as the nadir of a downward spike...

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Oil might drop to $30 tomorrow. Saying that $30 is long gone is retarded. Period. You have no way of knowing for sure. Just look at the difference between late 1985 prices and mid 1986 prices. In the span of 8 months, the price went from $31 to $11.50. My dad nearly lost his shirt on that one.

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Uhh...30$ and 12$?

yeah, what's your point?

Now write 500 words on the difference in the effectiveness of OPEC price targets between 1984 and 2005.

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OPEC doesn't want the price at $65, so their price targets are as ineffective now as they were then.

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Wrong way around, son.

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OK, the targets were as ineffective then as they are now.

 
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