02-09-2005 23:34									#1
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It doesn't take much to realize that Bush has completely failed as a leader in this crisis.

The problems in New Orleans should have been solved days ago with immediate action.

Every single military base within 600 miles of New Orleans should have been ordered to load up with food and water, and then head to the Superdome. After they drop off the food and water, they load people onto vehicles and drive them to the nearest dry air base. Meanwhile, military bases throughout the U.S should be flying in supplies to the air base to create a massive refugee tcentre. Troops could be sent in to keep the peace.

Now this is much more easier said than done, but the U.S. military has many logistic experts, people who know how to coordinate a massive operation like this. The U.S. military could get the job done, but the problem is the lack of leadership at the top.

A strong leader would have been able to step in and fix the situation, but Bush is weak.

A strong leader would immediately fire the Fema chief who said "I just heard about the Superdome problem today."

But Bush is weak and he has failed.

Discuss.

	02-09-2005 23:37									#2
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thanks for starting yet another thread on this! I didn't get the point in the previous 5.

	02-09-2005 23:37									#3
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not much to discuss. Bush screwed up badly this time. How could it take longer to respond to this than the tsunami?

	02-09-2005 23:40									#4
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Yeah, and the U.S. Navy did an amazing job in Indonesia.

	02-09-2005 23:41									#5
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Bush can't do a thing right.

Gospel of the left. And yet they claim to reject all religious dogma.

If he took an opposite course of action, it'd still be his fault somehow. This perpetual Bush-bashing is the greatest source of entertainment, or it would be if it wasn't so utterly pathetic.

	02-09-2005 23:41									#6
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As I recall, it took a great deal longer to respond fully to the tsunami. There was a full holiday weekend between when it hit and when we knew all of the details. Well more than a week before any assets were in place.

	02-09-2005 23:41									#7
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A reporter from the Christian Science Monitor has suggested that the Republican leadership in Congress has suffered a serious disconnect, as until yesterday or so, they were still discussing rather mundane things like tax cuts.

	02-09-2005 23:41									#8
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So Winston, what has Bush done right?

	02-09-2005 23:43									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai So Winston, what has Bush done right?

duh everything

	02-09-2005 23:44									#10
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That's not for me to point out, but it's nice to see you appear to be taking an interest in the matter. Or should I say acknowledge in theory that there could be something he did right at some point.

	02-09-2005 23:44									#11
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quote: Originally posted by DanS As I recall, it took a great deal longer to respond fully to the tsunami.

They were on the scene within four days IIRC. And that's coming from nowhere, as oppose to something happening in the U.S.

The navy was then delayed a couple of days by the idiots in Indonesia who were too proud to accept help at first.

Bush is displaying the same pride.

	02-09-2005 23:45									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Winston That's not for me to point out,

Ah, but it is since you're suggesting that Bush is not to blame.

	02-09-2005 23:48									#13
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I believe the US is now accepting aid from other nations.

	02-09-2005 23:48									#14
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I suggested that? I thought I was laughing my pants off over you lefties' one-trick pony impersonation.

	02-09-2005 23:49									#15
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And actually, I do believe Bush might not have made the best choice with his current photo-op.

If you see, there are two helicopters in the background; one of them, at least, could be out helping rescue people.

Granted, he might need a second one when he leaves, but for the hour or two he's there, I'm sure at least one person could have been saved.

It's good that he's there, but... well, I'd like to see him take on the decisive behavior as he did after 9/11. An entire city is at stake.

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	02-09-2005 23:51									#16
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Winston: That wasn't so much an impersonation as it was a succint summarization from the right of the left's point of view.

	02-09-2005 23:56									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed Winston: That wasn't so much an impersonation as it was a succint summarization from the right of the left's point of view.

One that's been proven true over and over again, there's no sense in arguing that I think.

	02-09-2005 23:56									#18
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I think it's way more important to be blaiming Bush or any number of people for that matter than to actually do something. I mean how many chances in a year do we get to blame Bush for something.

	02-09-2005 23:57									#19
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I'm just pointing out it's not an impersonation, and it's an offense to all good impersonators out there that you would conflate their art with satiric summarization.

Incidentally, that art has harsh words to say about both sides, particularly the knee-jerk reaction of the right in opposition to the knee-jerk reaction of the left.

	02-09-2005 23:58									#20
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Since my thread on the number of Hurricane Katrina threads got deleted, I'll point out here that this is thread number TWENTY EIGHT on the subject.

	02-09-2005 23:59									#21
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Ah, sorry.

I guess there's something of a Bush in me sometimes.

	02-09-2005 23:59									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber I think it's way more important to be blaiming Bush or any number of people for that matter than to actually do something.

I wish something was being done for the people in New Orleans, but until there is some leadership, it will be a cluster **** no matter our good intentions.

	03-09-2005 00:01									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed I believe the US is now accepting aid from other nations.

Six hours ago, Bush was saying that he had not received any offers for help, despite the fact that offers had been made.

	03-09-2005 00:02									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Winston I suggested that? I thought I was laughing my pants off over you lefties' one-trick pony impersonation.

Nah, you were simply displaying the right's inability to see reality.

	03-09-2005 00:03									#25
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Tingkai: re: bush's statements.

Is this true? Seriously? I mean, ****, we're getting offers from the EU, Korea, Japan, and a host of less well-off-nations, like the Dominican Republic.

	03-09-2005 00:07									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai I wish something was being done for the people in New Orleans, but until there is some leadership, it will be a cluster **** no matter our good intentions.

That's pretty much what everyone is saying. I just don't see why everyone has to get hung up on the fact that the goverment is moving as slow as it usually does. That has pretty much been my experience in everything the federal goverment is involved in. When I'm in a disaster like that I'm not going to expect the feds to help me. Local resuce workers and the kindness of those around me are the only thing I expect for a long time. The fed is a lumbering giant that takes it's sweet time doing anything. Rapid and federal (unless it's fedex )just don't belong in the same sentence. I know that they could if they planned correctly but I have yet to see any instance from any time where the federal goverment did anything fast.

	03-09-2005 00:09									#27
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Is it just me who thinks Winston's kneejerk defense of Republicans is amusing ironic?

	03-09-2005 00:12									#28
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Winston, you have a point but it seems your gospel is 'Bush can't do anything wrong'. Or 'he can't be blamed for these things'.

What ever. Butty boy of the left or right, is still being a butty boy. To me it seems like you guys are fighting if Mark or David is better lover.

What ever.

	03-09-2005 00:13									#29
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Oh, so now I defended Republicans? Why, that's very Swedish of you to say so.

Get a clue, LC.

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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist Is it just me who thinks Winston's kneejerk defense of Republicans is amusing ironic?

I'm amused that two people who don't even live in this country are arguing if Bush is doing a good job or not.

The burden has always been on the local goverments to handle things like this. The feds will pass their regulations and pass their rules but leave the locals in the lurch in any crisis. Then about a week later the feds come in and save the day. It's disgusting and it has been going on for very long time. This crisis just points out vividly on TV what they have done for years.