03-09-2005 08:59									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I don't blame Kanye for his outburst. While I don't think Dubya is David Duke... I certainly don't think he's going to lose any sleep over any of the people dying in New Orleans.

Is it a racial thing or a class thing? There may be a majority of blacks in N.O., but I'd bet there are lots of poor whites in the areas outside N.O. that aren't getting help. I like that Kayne kicked W in the nuts, but I don't like turning this thing into a racial issue. I just thought the look on Meyers' face wass priceless.

	03-09-2005 09:02									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Winston Bush can't do a thing right. Gospel of the left. And yet they claim to reject all religious dogma. If he took an opposite course of action, it'd still be his fault somehow. This perpetual Bush-bashing is the greatest source of entertainment, or it would be if it wasn't so utterly pathetic.

Yes, because as we all know Geronimo is such a die-hard socialist.

	03-09-2005 09:11									#93
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Except that I responded to the OP, which went up 7 minutes prior.

Thank you, come again.

	03-09-2005 09:14									#94
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Winston, even Bush knows he screwed this one up, so you can't use the "left wing political ideaology" copout again.

You too Sprayber.

	03-09-2005 09:17									#95
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Sprayber, it is incorrect to say that the Feds have never acted quickly in a crisis. It is also incorrect to say that locals have always handled these problems. The Federal response to the mulitple hurricanes in Florida last year was nothing less than amazing. Even before the storms hit, the Feds were ready to come in and help, and within hours of the storm's passing, they were there.

As to the second, the Feds have authority once the locals invite them in. If New Orleans and Lousiana didn't ask for help, the Feds could not intervene. The mayor of New Orleans, however, has been begging for help. Once that call is made, the Fed's should have been all over this like ants on a picnic.

Now, I'm not laying 100% of the blame on the Feds. I'm not even sure a majority of the blame goes to the Feds. But certainly, a very great deal of blame does go to them. Before the storm hit, the Louisiana National Guard should have been mobilized and in place. They should have had equipment on hand to start repaing the levies should they break or be topped. I-10 should have been made a one way highway in order to get as many people out as possible. Busses, trucks, trains, and planes should have been commandeered to get the poor and sick and prisoners out of the city. There's a lot they could have done to minimize the disaster.

None of that takes away from the President's failure to lead.

	03-09-2005 09:27									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Winston Except that I responded to the OP, which went up 7 minutes prior. Thank you, come again.

Clearly your cluelessness extends to the fact I wasn't referring to who you responded to, but that certain people of a not-so-leftish persuasion, in fact a LOT of people, agree that the Feds (FUBARed*SNAFUed)^2 this one.

And thank you, I will come again.

	03-09-2005 09:30									#97
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Ok, if certain non-leftist people fall for it, it must be true. Silly me.

	03-09-2005 09:32									#98
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I forgot to mention Geronimo is also easily fooled.

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Honestly, I can't say I'm impressed by the leadership in this crisis. Nagin's very impassioned, but... I think he's cracked under the strain, and hasn't been able to rise to the occasion. Then again, when confronted with the fact that the city you led no longer exists, for all intents and purposes, I don't know a single person who would be able to keep functioning.

That doesn't excuse the apparent abdication of leadership by anybody else in a position of power.

While I can't say that I agree with what Kanye West has said (though, for some reason, I find it abso-****in'-lutely funny, largely because of how surreal it is)... I'm just very afraid at how many people will buy that line.

	03-09-2005 14:11									#100
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It is surreal, huh, I was thinking something along that lines but that's the perfect words to describe it.

While Kayne's words were very strong, I do believe there is a tremendous amount of instituational racism towards blacks in Louisiana specifically.

BUt that clip was funny as hell.

	03-09-2005 14:21									#101
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Most of the police is white, most of the people left in NO are black, and the poorest of them. They have never trusted the police and don't now either, which just adds to the tensions. Add to that drug users going without their fix for a few days, the availability of firearms to be looted and you're looking at a recipe for trouble.

	03-09-2005 14:22									#102
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Glad to see General Honore on the scene taking charge.

	03-09-2005 14:35									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Wycoff Is it a racial thing or a class thing? There may be a majority of blacks in N.O., but I'd bet there are lots of poor whites in the areas outside N.O. that aren't getting help. I like that Kayne kicked W in the nuts, but I don't like turning this thing into a racial issue. I just thought the look on Meyers' face wass priceless.

	03-09-2005 15:44									#104
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Actually, it's probably just a difference in terminology between the French AFP and the American AP. Assuming both organizations write their own captions, that is. If Yahoo did it for them, then it may indeed be racist.

	03-09-2005 15:54									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Actually, it's probably just a difference in terminology between the French AFP and the American AP. Assuming both organizations write their own captions, that is. If Yahoo did it for them, then it may indeed be racist.

It's not. The reporter actually saw the Black person take from a store, but didn't see the whites do the same, thus was unable to say for a fact that they had looted.

	03-09-2005 15:55									#106
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What reporter?

	03-09-2005 15:58									#107
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DETECTIVE JOHN KIMBALL I'M A COP YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!!111

	03-09-2005 16:11									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten What reporter?

The reporter who took the photos.

	03-09-2005 16:15									#109
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DETECTIVE JOHN KIMBALL!!!!111

	03-09-2005 16:21									#110
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quote: The reporter who took the photos.

Why would a photographer send his pictures to two different wire services?

edit: Answer? He didn't, given that no such person exists.

quote: The photos were by two different photographers working for two different news agencies, The Associated Press and AFP/Getty Images. But they appeared together on Yahoo News, and they sparked a flurry of blog entries, emails and calls contending the captions were unfair to blacks.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...5090201894.html

che was correct on the basic point, though. The AP guy saw his subject loot a store. The AFP guy saw his subjects pick up floating debris.

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Same pricinple, though. In one case, a reporter saw the looting taking place, in the other he didn't.

How Cokes float through the water though, is a mystery.

	03-09-2005 16:38									#112
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DanSed you...

	03-09-2005 16:55									#113
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I noticed, I was just too polite to say anything.

	03-09-2005 17:00									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Tingkai, You are blind. The US military was providing aid before the damn thing even hit. The day of the hurricane the Army Corps of Engineers was running all over the place. The fact there there are several major military bases IN the disaster zone makes you claim ridiculous. The USS Battan arrived the day of the hurricane and has been running helos non stop since. The day after the USS Shreavport and USS Ashland headed down. Those three ships are equal to three airports with 5000 aid workers each, also loaded out with food (I was berthed across from the Shreveport, it was ALOT of stuff). There are now seven Navy ships off the coast. The day of the storm Bush dispatched a Lt. General to hed up the relief efforts, and from all accounts he has been kicking ass and taking names since then. There are over 10,000 soldiers involved in ground operations. There are over 200 military helicopters operating in NO. Note there are over 50 news choppers flying around doing nothing. And of course the fact that 90% of the people in this devastated region are evacuated and cared for, what failure do you speak of anyways?

Talking out of your ass Patroklos as usual...

Yesterday was the first day that significant food and water actually arrived in NO over four days after the fact...

Yeah Baatan is there - started rescuing people on Wednesday (2 days afterwards) and managed rescuing a whole 200 people in about three days as well as distributing food and water. Very commendable...

But a total drop in the ocean of humanity that is still suffering in NO...

PS Am I the only person round here that is alarmed that a US Navy person (I am correct in that assumption?) cannot even correctly spell the names of ships he is serving with!!?

	03-09-2005 17:07									#115
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I'm just waiting for Bush to start recalling troops from Iraq now...

	03-09-2005 17:09									#116
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS PS Am I the only person round here that is alarmed that a US Navy person (I am correct in that assumption?) cannot even correctly spell the names of ships he is serving with!!?

Probably. Most of us are alarmed that despite the enormity of the fubar, he still can't bring himself to criticize those responsible.

	03-09-2005 17:20									#117
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There is no fubar. Everyone is well, being properly fed and looked after.[/patroklos]

	03-09-2005 17:20									#118
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It doesn't matter what the photog says now. I'm frankly sceptical. This has been a major flap, to the extent that the agency has asked that it's photo and caption be removed by Yahoo and others.

The point is that the majority of "looting" is simply hungry people, abandoned by their government, trying to find food - black or white. But mostly black.

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	03-09-2005 17:39									#119
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joncha

don't you know that girl is hispanic!

and what about the chinese!