03-09-2005 17:54									#121
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yeah I've seen that one too...

there's a few other floating around... one is a snickers advertisement "not going anywhere for a while?" with a guy standing on a roof...

	03-09-2005 21:09									#122
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there is a real strong feeling right now, among people who care, that the US government (And the leaders of it, like Bush) have failed New Orleans..

this even from mostly unpolitical people....

Jon miller

	03-09-2005 21:16									#123
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller there is a real strong feeling right now, among people who care, that the US government (And the leaders of it, like Bush) have failed New Orleans..

IMO, all of government, the city, state and federal levels have all completed ****ed things up.

	03-09-2005 21:16									#124
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Bush is looking more and more like Marie Antoinette.

	03-09-2005 21:24									#125
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I saw this transcript of the New Hour linked to on another forum. It's a very good read, IMO.

	03-09-2005 21:55									#126
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http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/plan...upplement1a.pdf

the state evacuation plan, had only they followed it.

	03-09-2005 21:59									#127
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my sister's boyfreind is part of a blackhawk group (the rescue/medic type ones)

most/all of the other groups are in iraq or afgahnastan

his is here, but hasn't been sent (yet) because all the helis are appart of maintence (I think only a couple are flyable)

my sister thinks that if the other groups were in the US, there would be a lot more helping out in New Orleans

Jon Miller

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quote: Originally posted by Whoha http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/plan...upplement1a.pdf the state evacuation plan, had only they followed it.

with what manpower?

just curious...

How was the city of new orleans supposed to evacuate over 100,000 in less than 24 hours?

It's easy to post meaningless garbage on some internet forum (that you probably didn't even read)... but it's a lot harder to deal with it in the real life.

	03-09-2005 22:05									#129
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quote: Originally posted by Edan I saw this transcript of the New Hour linked to on another forum. It's a very good read, IMO.

Very good. I sure agree with what they're saying.

	03-09-2005 22:09									#130
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quote: Originally posted by Edan I saw this transcript of the New Hour linked to on another forum. It's a very good read, IMO.

Brooks becomes a radical!?!

	03-09-2005 22:13									#131
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quote: Originally posted by Sava with what manpower? just curious... How was the city of new orleans supposed to evacuate over 100,000 in less than 24 hours?

Start earlier and use the plan. Have you read it? I've been readin it, and if they had followed the plan . . .

	03-09-2005 22:17									#132
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[serious] - Both the BBC and Canada's Global network are starting to comment on the obvious - most of the 'refugees' are african american. The response time to deal with poor black people seems much slower then dealing with white people.[/serious]

[sarcastic] The Bush admin. has lost this round in the War on Nature, but will continue to fight the heresy of natural selection and redouble oil exploration in
environmentally sensitive areas. [/sarcastic]

	03-09-2005 22:19									#133
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I think that this is obviously a collapse on all sorts of levels..

or at least I would hope so

Jon Miller

	03-09-2005 22:26									#134
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I think we need to seriously talk about impeachment. Is Dereliction of duty a crime that the President can be charged with?

	03-09-2005 22:29									#135
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I think that if a third party coudl appear, that they would do well in the next elections

JM

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I think we need to seriously talk about impeachment. Is Dereliction of duty a crime that the President can be charged with?

How about the negligent manslaughter of all those who survived hurricane - but died of drowning, heat stroke, thirst, disease, lack of medical supplies, being murdered during the anarchy etc...

Where was America's Dunkirk Spirit!!?

	03-09-2005 22:49									#137
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Q: Define irony

A: The Department of Homeland Security is co-sponsoring September as National Preparedness Month.

	03-09-2005 23:19									#139
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer Q: Define irony A: The Department of Homeland Security is co-sponsoring September as National Preparedness Month.

	03-09-2005 23:25									#140
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quote: Originally posted by Sava --- How was the city of new orleans supposed to evacuate over 100,000 in less than 24 hours? ---

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050901/capt.flpc21109012015.hurricane_katrina_flpc211.jpg?x=380&y=235&sig=NbUvEfVIaferkxoZTiys0Q--

	03-09-2005 23:29									#141
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quote: Originally posted by Sava --- How was the city of new orleans supposed to evacuate over 100,000 in less than 24 hours? ---

I did not intend to post a link, let's try this instead

	03-09-2005 23:32									#142
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I think that a lot of politicians should lose their jobs over this

I know that the FEMA guy should, I think that some senators shuold also..

they were given power, authority, and responsibility...

and they did as little as me, who has been unemployed for 4 months..

JM

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maybe 200 or so buses there...

you have to fuel all of them get drivers, have routes planned, coordinate pick up locations, destinations, and do it nonstop for over 24 hours...

somehow, I just don't see it happening, even if you had a month to plan it and rehearse it...

	03-09-2005 23:36									#144
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I know it's easier to play the blame-game and blame Bush for cancer, global warming, eating babies and stuff but isn't this a cockup for the LOCAL state and city officials?

It seems NO had plenty of transportation available that could have been used. I would rather want to know why those busses stood idle instead of playing the blame-game.

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there is no question that the city government in New Orleans messed up before the hurricane hit..

we aren't upset about Bush fro that, we are upset at him (And other governmental/federal leaders) for what has happened after the hurricane hit

no question that the city should have done things differently

jM

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quote: Originally posted by CapTVK I know it's easier to play the blame-game and blame Bush for cancer, global warming, eating babies and stuff but isn't this a cockup for the LOCAL state and city officials? It seems NO had plenty of transportation available that could have been used. I would rather want to know why those busses stood idle instead of playing the blame-game.

translation:

hey!!! don't worry about this MAJOR **** UP over here!!! worry about this over **** up over here!!

sure, I place blame on the local officials... but not as much because they had neither the resources nor the manpower to do a damn thing.

But it's good to know so many people have low standards for the federal gov't.

	03-09-2005 23:51									#147
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller I think that if a third party coudl appear, that they would do well in the next elections JM

Unfortunately, all America has left are raving right-wingers and drooling left-wingers. The extremes did a fine, Sith-like job of wiping out the moderate middle in their quest for absolute power.

Sorry, America. You're stuck with what you got. Idjits!

Gatekeeper

	03-09-2005 23:54									#148
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thats right... anyone who thinks Bush could have done a better job is a drooling left winger.

quite frankly, you'd have to be a drooling "idjit" to not be mad as hell at the state of the nation thanks to dear leader

	03-09-2005 23:56									#149
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no, I think he is talking about the democrats..

Bushes polls are going to go way down over this

even the unpolitical dislike Bushes actions..

JM

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Actually, it's more that us moderates, with our calm, moderate viewpoints, aren't as interesting to listen to as the extremists.

So we get no media time. DAMN EXTREMIST MEDIA! ****in' vast left-right right-left wing conspiracy!