04-09-2005 22:39									#241
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You have to be joking.

You can not be defending this.

	04-09-2005 22:39									#242
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos I bet her personally grounded the helicopters by signed presidential order.

He flew in for a photo op and stopped rescue operations for three hours in order to give the appearance that he was doing something. Somehow I'm not shocked that the administration valued sizzle over steak...

	04-09-2005 22:45									#243
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Wow...the US finally waking up it seems!
Let's hope it can keep it's momentum going.

	04-09-2005 22:57									#244
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http://nola.asgard.net/media/orleans.mov

Heartbreaking.

	04-09-2005 23:00									#245
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos I bet her personally grounded the helicopters by signed presidential order. And burned a few babies for fun

Yeah and all the while people were still dying of thirst begging to be evacuated because your govt was more interested in Bush getting a clear view out of his windows than actually saving its citizens...

Such a callous disregard for humanity you have...

You really are a piece of work!

Real ****ing classy!

	04-09-2005 23:11									#246
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos I bet her personally grounded the helicopters by signed presidential order. And burned a few babies for fun

Yep, you're scum.

	04-09-2005 23:15									#247
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos I bet her personally grounded the helicopters by signed presidential order. And burned a few babies for fun

How can you defend them grounding helicopters while he flew in? He's the President yes, an important man, but we have a Vice President in case **** happens.

You've got thousands still needing rescue and aid--are their lives not worth as much as one leader?

	04-09-2005 23:19									#248
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Especially now I'm hearing rumors like this. If this is true...

quote: Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA) reports on BushCo faking levee repairs for a photo-op: [T]he greatest disappointment [regarding the federal response] stands at the breached 17th Street levee. Touring this critical site yesterday with the President, I saw what I believed to be a real and significant effort to get a handle on a major cause of this catastrophe. Flying over this critical spot again this morning, less than 24 hours later, it became apparent that yesterday we witnessed a hastily prepared stage set for a Presidential photo opportunity; and the desperately needed resources we saw were this morning reduced to a single, lonely piece of equipment. The good and decent people of southeast Louisiana and the Gulf Coast — black and white, rich and poor, young and old — deserve far better from their national government. And according to Kevin Drum over at the Washington Monthly they setup a fake staging where food and aid was supposed to be given, but after Bush left they tore down the staging area and left.

	04-09-2005 23:26									#249
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Grounding helicopters was probobly an automatic security thing, that yes should have been overridden, but no was not some evil plot by the President to kill poor black people.

You people are ****ing worthless, spending so much time on your trivial political bullshit while all the while faining caring for people. This is nothing but another event to warp into a Bush bash, and your little circle jerk makes me sick.

Not a single one of you here has done one damn thing to help anyone, but God you sure are willing to lay down some critisim, especially when almost ALL of it is based an absolutley nothing.

****ing ambulance chasers.

	04-09-2005 23:29									#250
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Grounding helicopters was probobly an automatic security thing, that yes should have been overridden, but no was not some evil plot by the President to kill poor black people. You people are ****ing worthless, spending so much time on your trivial political bullshit while all the while faining caring for people. This is nothing but another event to warp into a Bush bash, and your little circle jerk makes me sick. Not a single one of you here has done one damn thing to help anyone, but God you sure are willing to lay down some critisim, especially when almost ALL of it is based an absolutley nothing. ****ing ambulance chasers.

My family has given $500 so far. Plus, we donated some packages of bottled water to a local community center.

And all you do is continue to excuse this President, who at best, is guilty of criminally negligent homicide.

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quote: And according to Kevin Drum over at the Washington Monthly they setup a fake staging where food and aid was supposed to be given, but after Bush left they tore down the staging area and left.

There is no end to the **** you people will pull out of your ass.

It wasn't a fake food distribution center, it was the furnace where we burned all the refugees the Feds didn't want the public to know about, and then they destroyed the furnace.

They even broke out their SS uniforms for a touch of flare.

Do you guys still think a hurricane caused all this? Huh, simpletons.

	04-09-2005 23:29									#252
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I don't think any of us are blaming bush for the heli grounding...

despite the title of this thread

it was someone in his admin for sure

this is a thread complaing about what was done wrong with authority

JM

	04-09-2005 23:30									#253
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quote: My family has given $500 so far. Plus, we donated some packages of bottled water to a local community center. And all you do is continue to excuse this President, who at best, is guilty of criminally negligent homicide.

You, Sava, didn't do a ****ing thing.

Considering the critisisms you have been laying down, anything short of throwing yourself into the levie break to plug the leak smacks of hipocracy.

	04-09-2005 23:32									#254
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos You, Sava, didn't do a ****ing thing. Considering the critisisms you have been laying down, anything short of throwing yourself into the levie break to plug the leak smacks of hipocracy.

blah blah blah blah

	04-09-2005 23:32									#255
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quote: this is a thread complaing about what was done wrong with authority

No, this is a thread to grow political capital of the backs of dead NO citizens. Nothing else. So I guess me saying your care for them is fained is not entirely correct, you do "care" about then a great deal.

	04-09-2005 23:33									#256
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I wonder if Pattycakes criticized Bush for "growing political capital" after exploiting 9-11.

	04-09-2005 23:34									#257
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Considering the critisisms you have been laying down, anything short of throwing yourself into the levie break to plug the leak smacks of hipocracy.

The President, and the entire government at all levels ****ed up.

It is not hypocracy to point that out. In fact, it would be negligent not to.

	04-09-2005 23:35									#258
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And how are we "growing political capital"?

Are any Poly member planning on running for office?

Are any of us going to oppose Bush in an election?

I want the Bush held accountable for his COMPLETE AND UTTER INCOMPETENCE.

Because people died because of it.

	04-09-2005 23:39									#259
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Grounding helicopters was probobly an automatic security thing, that yes should have been overridden, but no was not some evil plot by the President to kill poor black people.

I never suggested that it was, nor did anyone else. Perhaps you should stop putting words in my mouth.

It is just another example of this administration's absolutely stunning level of incompetence, callousness, and outright failure.

quote: You people are ****ing worthless, spending so much time on your trivial political bullshit while all the while faining caring for people. This is nothing but another event to warp into a Bush bash, and your little circle jerk makes me sick.

Trivial political bullshit? Did you see Meet The Press this morning? Did you see Aaron Broussard break down in tears describing how they have gotten no help while the mother of one of his workers drowned over the course of the week?

quote: Not a single one of you here has done one damn thing to help anyone, but God you sure are willing to lay down some critisim, especially when almost ALL of it is based an absolutley nothing. ****ing ambulance chasers.

Lastly, it is my job to help people, everyday. At this time, it does not appear that any refugees will be coming to Columbus, but that doesn't mean I haven't helped the current effort. You, sir, don't know **** about what I or anyone else here has done, and I will thank you to stop pretending that you do.

	04-09-2005 23:42									#260
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And another Bush asslicker has been pwned.

	04-09-2005 23:43									#261
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	04-09-2005 23:53									#262
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quote: Lastly, it is my job to help people, everyday. At this time, it does not appear that any refugees will be coming to Columbus, but that doesn't mean I haven't helped the current effort. You, sir, don't know **** about what I or anyone else here has done, and I will thank you to stop pretending that you do.

God your such a poser.

	04-09-2005 23:55									#263
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Would I be right in thinking that Bush had FEMA's powers curtailed after it had been built up during the Clinton years, and that he headed it with his political cronies?

	04-09-2005 23:57									#264
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Note, Clinton, speaking on CNN as I post, believes that the Federal Goverment has done a fantactic job and is praising the amazing effort.

	04-09-2005 23:57									#265
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Grounding helicopters was probobly an automatic security thing, that yes should have been overridden, but no was not some evil plot by the President to kill poor black people.

I tend to agree. What I don't get is why it wasn't overridden. That's what bugs me.

quote: You people are ****ing worthless, spending so much time on your trivial political bullshit while all the while faining caring for people. This is nothing but another event to warp into a Bush bash, and your little circle jerk makes me sick.

feigning, not faining. And at least from my end, it's not a Bush bash. It's a "WTF is the organization? WTF does everybody in charge have their head up their ass?"

quote: Not a single one of you here has done one damn thing to help anyone, but God you sure are willing to lay down some critisim, especially when almost ALL of it is based an absolutley nothing.

criticism.
And I've already donated $50 to the relief effort, $50 that I can't really afford. So stow your righteous anger and actually look at what's going on--look at how nobody's been able to take charge, look at how things have devolved over time, look at the lack of strong leadership from the mayor on up. Look at the people who are dying, look at the people who are starving and saying things about the conditions in the Convention Center and the Dome.

I refuse to excuse the abdication of moral and political responsibility that seems to have cropped up, from Mayor Nagin, to the Governor, to the shoddy response of Congress, to the ham-handed appearances of President Bush.

I'm sorry if that makes you think I'm some sort of Bush-basher.

	04-09-2005 23:58									#266
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman Would I be right in thinking that Bush had FEMA's powers curtailed after it had been built up during the Clinton years, and that he headed it with his political cronies?

You would.

	04-09-2005 23:58									#267
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Of course it's security measure done by default, the chopper thing. However, when no rescue etc flights can be done at that time, 'm guessing few people die as a result of that, that would have been saved.

HOWEVER, I make a difference in not blaming president for it, as I feel this is someone elses play to make, to have that player in them to call the situation right, and to allow the rescue flights to continue normally. President might not even think about this, as I bet the security procedures are automatical around him.

SO, someone elses head should roll for it, but I don't think this particular is president's fault. SUPER POOR leadership, but not from president IMO on this particular case.

	04-09-2005 23:59									#268
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos There is no end to the **** you people will pull out of your ass. It wasn't a fake food distribution center, it was the furnace where we burned all the refugees the Feds didn't want the public to know about, and then they destroyed the furnace. They even broke out their SS uniforms for a touch of flare. Do you guys still think a hurricane caused all this? Huh, simpletons.

Flair, not flare.

And please, did you even READ my ****ing post? Where I quite clearly remarked, "I'm hearing rumors like this one:"

	04-09-2005 23:59									#269
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos God your such a poser.

Please, elaborate. I'm breathless with anticipation of your stunning insights into my psyche.

	04-09-2005 23:59									#270
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Note, Clinton, speaking on CNN as I post, believes that the Federal Goverment has done a fantactic job and is praising the amazing effort.

Past Presidents never criticize current Presidents. This means nothing.