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Vesayen is offline Vesayen
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I have in my many years of gaming, likley killed millions of lifeforms, humans being in the tens of thousands if not higher.

I've played every other GTA game till now and i've loved them.

I just got San Andreas.....

In all the other games, they've steadily slid towards more realism in the protagonist and in the game. Now, we have a protagonist who seems *VERY* real.

He is also, not a very nice person. He is a hired killer, arguments of the morality of his actions are moot, he robs a convenience store on the third mission for no reason other then money.

The game tries to play off the protagonist as a compelling, moral character whose actions are justified, even though they are not.

Vice City made *NO* attempt to make the protagonist seem like a moral individual. You were involved in the drug trade and completley immoral, the game did not in any way try to make the bad actions seem okay. You did very bad things and it made it clear you were a VERY bad person.

In San Andreas, they try to make the protagonists extremley immoral actions seem moral, and I have to admit though they fail, they make a valliant effort. They make attempts to make him seem like a good guy in his actions with his gang.

This will and does effect impressionable children-I felt almost a gag reflex at times, it really is not nice.

I know its far, far too late considering how long this game has been out but violence and sex aside, I wouldn't let anyone 14 or under get their hands on this game.

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one of the greatest games ever made

too bad they didn't have multiplayer

GTA doesn't promote anything... it's a game...

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I agree, Sava, the entire GTA 3 series (GTA3, Vice City, San Andreas) are some of the best games of all time .

If kids turn towards violence because of a game, then the parents have failed. Of course the kids would have just blamed TV otherwise.

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I know its far, far too late considering how long this game has been out but violence and sex aside, I wouldn't let anyone 14 or under get their hands on this game.


Even though it is Adults Only, and as such cannot be purchased for the intent of letting anyone under 18 play?

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I agree, Sava, the entire GTA 3 series (GTA3, Vice City, San Andreas) are some of the best games of all time .

If kids turn towards violence because of a game, then the parents have failed. Of course the kids would have just blamed TV otherwise.


personal responsibility

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Of course irresponsible parents are the #1 problem, but games like this don't help.

LOL don't think i'm calling for a ban, harsher restrictions, or anything.

I am simply stating that San Addreas promotes immorality.

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Porn promotes immorality too. What's so special about a video game whose entertainment value comes from its coverage of taboo subjects?

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The Catholic Church promotes immorality!

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Porn promotes immorality too. What's so special about a video game whose entertainment value comes from its coverage of taboo subjects?


The immorality of pornography is suspect.

Everyone(almost) agrees that theft and violence is wrong.

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The immorality of pornography is suspect.

Everyone(almost) agrees that theft and violence is wrong.


What about movies like the "Godfather" and TV shows like "The Sopranos"?

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To go further, I think people are having problems with GTA because a lot of people seem not to have realized that video games aren't just for children anymore. Movies like the Godfather are ok, because they are for adults, but people don't realize that GTA is as well.

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Fred Phelps is immoral. We are immoral, we all are. The only people with true moral are Taliban and super radicals. Screw them. I'd rather be immoral and free and not acting up on it, than super moral, radical and oppressor.

It is immoral, sure... and? Lots of immoral games out there, always been, always will.

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I played a lot of Civilization games. Robbing convenience stores? Hah! I laid waste to cities, pillaged regions and emptied continents. GTA is for amateurs.

P.S. yeah I consider myself a good guy for all I did

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I think I am so brainwashed that I would use nuclear weapons without hesitation if I was in a position where I could. I'd do it for the sound effect. And all the moralizators could then say "I told you violent games affect kids!" and sue Sid Meier.

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he robs a convenience store on the third mission for no reason other then money.


You know, I am sh*t out of other reasons to rob a convenience store...

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I think I am so brainwashed that I would use nuclear weapons without hesitation if I was in a position where I could. I'd do it for the sound effect. And all the moralizators could then say "I told you violent games affect kids!" and sue Sid Meier.


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You know, I am sh*t out of other reasons to rob a convenience store...


Well, what if your city was inundated and you needed the supplies...

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The gangster **** you get up to in this game is no different to the gangster **** you see in films and tv series. If you want to make a case against gta, it needs to be against the interactivity, not the content.

I think the main characters morality with regard to drugs could be a good thing, as a step towards it being socially acceptable to say no to drugs.

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The only people with true moral are Taliban and super radicals. Screw them. I'd rather be immoral and free and not acting up on it, than super moral, radical and oppressor.


"I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints"

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It's not that simple. Sociological studies have shown that TV shows (and by extension, video games) have definite impacts on how people see things.

It's not as direct as you become a serial killer after watching a violent TV serial, but the influence is definitely there.

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UR and Vesayen, like a thousand monkeys at a thousand type-writers, happen to be right this time.

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Sorry UR and Ves

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I think there was a patch for GTA: SA, that makes it more suitable for minors. A PG-patch, if you will. It was even named after popular children's drink... I can't quite remember it.

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It's not that simple. Sociological studies have shown that TV shows (and by extension, video games) have definite impacts on how people see things.

It's not as direct as you become a serial killer after watching a violent TV serial, but the influence is definitely there.


And i dont think it's as simple as "if you're 95% of the way towards going on a killing spree, GTA will push you the other 5%.

 
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