13-09-2005 06:45									#121
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What is considered heavy lifting?

Building up muscles is one of the ways to KEEP the weight off. If your metabolism is higher, you can keep the weight off much more easily than if you just diet, because when the dieting ends, so does weightloss.

	13-09-2005 07:12									#122
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quote: Building up muscles is one of the ways to KEEP the weight off. If your metabolism is higher, you can keep the weight off much more easily than if you just diet, because when the dieting ends, so does weightloss.

Keep the fat off, not the mass off. Muscles weight more than fat, there is a difference... some people (f.e. boxers) have to keep their weight under a certain mark, so it could matter.

quote: Heavy lifting combined with cardio is the BEST way to get your body into shape.

There are different preferences. I prefer moderate weight-lifting (push- and pullups, dumbells, nothing HC) with morning jogs. It depends on what kind of body do you want to build out of yourself.

quote: However heavy lifting is just going to tire you out quickly.

How so?

Ecthy, just in case you don't know this already: if you're aggressively building muscles, the key thing is to let the stressed muscles rest every other day. Most of the build-up gets done when they're recovering from exercise. This is why it might be a good idea to train different muscle groups on different days, you can upkeep a daily routine while maximising training efficiency.
EDITs 1, 2 and 3: Furthermore, your new nick is insanely hard to spell.

	13-09-2005 07:50									#123
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It's the same nick like before, just shortened

Also, I usually only exercie every other day so that shouldn't be a problem. The past few months saw exercie only irregularly as well, I ought to get more regular for next term. Thanks for the hing though

	13-09-2005 08:35									#124
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quote: Originally posted by GePap What is considered heavy lifting?

For me it's lifting a weight so you have to stop at a max of 8 times.

quote: Originally posted by VJ How so?

Because you are pushing yourself over the limit. You need to, or else you won't be building up muscles. However doing so in a short period of time is very tiring, esp when you do squats and such that you use most of your body. I guess bicep curls etc. are easier on your body.

Heavy lifting is a lot of starts and stops, which isn't conducive to burning fat. You need a continous, steady pace for that. The rowing machine is excellent for this.

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UR: just admit you are wrong

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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger For me it's lifting a weight so you have to stop at a max of 8 times.

That's a strange measure. Is that because the weight is to heavy, or what?

The point of weightlifting is to strain and fatigue the muscle so that it is force to repair itself and thus become bigger.

When I do a set for any one muscle group, I do essentially 60 reps. Lets call the weights X for the lowest, then X+5, X+10 and x+15.

12 reps at X. Minute rest. 10 reps at X+5. Minute rest. 8 reps at X+10. Minute rest, 6 reps at X+15. Minute rest. 12 reps at X+10, immidiately followed by 12 reps of the same weight in a different excercise for the same muscle group. That way you certainly fatigue the muscle.

Lets just say you certainly don;t become muscle bound by doing that. Heck, in 4 months of excercise and cutting back in my intake (thought not in what I eat, just the amounts) I have lost 30lbs and I am still going down.

	13-09-2005 09:44									#127
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One time in my life when I was eating more sensible and working out 2 hours a day 5 days a week at the gym (jumping ropes, stairmasters, then about 30 minutes of weight lifting) - I lost 70 lbs in 3 months and after I stopped my weight was still going down for months after that.

	13-09-2005 11:49									#128
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quote: Originally posted by GePap When I do a set for any one muscle group, I do essentially 60 reps. Lets call the weights X for the lowest, then X+5, X+10 and x+15. 12 reps at X. Minute rest. 10 reps at X+5. Minute rest. 8 reps at X+10. Minute rest, 6 reps at X+15. Minute rest. 12 reps at X+10, immidiately followed by 12 reps of the same weight in a different excercise for the same muscle group. That way you certainly fatigue the muscle. Lets just say you certainly don;t become muscle bound by doing that. Heck, in 4 months of excercise and cutting back in my intake (thought not in what I eat, just the amounts) I have lost 30lbs and I am still going down.

It looks like you have set X too low.

Suppose Y is a weight that you can lift a max of 6 reps. After that you feel like your arms (say) are falling off and must rest for a minute.

Do 10 reps at Y-10. Rest for a minute. Do 8 reps at Y-5. Rest for a minute. Do 6 reps at Y. Rest for a minute. Do 8 reps at Y-5. Rest for a minute. Finally do 10 reps at Y-10.

That will build up your muscles really fast, but you will also get tired really, really, fast.

If you want to lose fat quickly follow a routine similar to Barinthus's.

	13-09-2005 14:36									#129
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison oolong?

Is a piece of string ?

	13-09-2005 14:39									#130
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quote: Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly Filipino tastes run to the greasy and fatty, and use every part of the animal (pork here is often sold in packages with a sticker reading "skin still on!"as an enticement to buy). It's a peasant diet, I suppose, and not one that I've acquired a taste for.

No Irish in your family then- the only part of the pig we didn't eat were the orifices !.

I shared childhood experiences with a friend from Beijing in Melbourne- it turned out we both used to have burning off the pig bristle duties for our grandmothers.

Pigs' trotters and pigs' tails- yum yum.

	13-09-2005 14:44									#131
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom No Irish in your family then- the only part of the pig we didn't eat were the orifices !.

We Chinese also eat pretty much every part of an animal. I think we don't eat the eyeballs mostly. Hm, and the nads I think. We certainly munch on organs and/or parts such as tongues, hearts, and even brains.

Pig innards anyone?

	13-09-2005 15:39									#132
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Pig innards anyone?

Yummy- reminds me of the tripe soup I had at the Yang Sing in Manchester. It still had the evanescent scent of...


...which is probably why I prefer tripe with chilli and black bean sauce.


It does bring to mind to the scene from 'Tampopo' when the gangster is talking about hunting wild boars which have gorged themselves on yams or sweet potatoes, and how you kill them at once, then wash their intestines and roast them- instant yam and pork sausage.