10-09-2005 09:12									#1
	Let the Good Times Roll: 1 Million More Americans in Poverty in 2004 Put an end to popups!

In 2004, 37.0 million people were in poverty, up 1.1 million from 2003.

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/pove...04/pov04hi.html


This is following the stellar year of 2003 when that happened and another million more had no health insurance. Which also followed 3 years of poverty growth.

quote: The number of Americans in poverty rose by 1.3 million to 35.9 million, or one in eight people. The number of Americans without health insurance rose by 1.4 million to 45 million, or 15.6% of the population. Both sets of figures rose for the third-straight year.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washin...s-poverty_x.htm

	10-09-2005 09:15									#2
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People who are in poverty are there because of a choice they made to not work.

	10-09-2005 09:24									#3
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And plus Ted, poor people in America are much better off than poor people in the rest of the world. They have color TV's, microwaves, cable, cars, and are living ghetto fabulous.

DUH...

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	10-09-2005 09:38									#5
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Lack of material wealth != poverty.

There are other issues caused by inequality, including low status and lack of respect from the rest of the population.

	10-09-2005 10:15									#6
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Asians rule. All the rest drool.

	10-09-2005 10:40									#7
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Once again, idiocy reigns at ACS Off Topic.
Be proud.

	10-09-2005 11:03									#8
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Don't worry, thanks to Katrina the non-insured population has diminished.

	10-09-2005 12:07									#9
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Just saw an interesting claim that most if not all of that growth has been in non-hispanic whites. As in "we" are becoming "them".

	10-09-2005 14:58									#10
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quote: The number of Americans without health insurance rose by 1.4 million to 45 million, or 15.6% of the population.

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Reminds me of episode 1 of "30 days".

	10-09-2005 17:10									#12
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Poverty

Natural Disasters that eliminate the suffering of "those people"

Threads with satirical/sarcastic titles that poke fun at DanS' perpetually rosy outlook on the state of the economy

Neocons, and what they've done with the country in the last several years

Ted Striker

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(well, thumbs up for two of those five anyways.....and it prolly don't take a rocket scientist to figure out which two!)

	10-09-2005 17:54									#13
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Poor people are bad because they're poor or poor because they're bad; either that or God needs people to support Walmart and Pat Robertson's t.v. shows.

quote: As for your common beggar, ‘tis usually an injury and a dishonour unto the country, for them to be countenanced; as for they that indulge themselves in idleness, the express command of God unto us, is that you should let them starve.

Good news from the Puritans.

	10-09-2005 17:56									#14
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What happens when a person without health insurance has a traffic accident and needs expensive surgery to survive?

	10-09-2005 18:43									#15
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That would be covered by auto insurance-medical, which you have to have in order to drive (well, you need liability anyways. If you don't have insurance and the accident is your fault, and you only have liability, you're basically screwed).

	10-09-2005 18:46									#16
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What I want to know is this: a man is in the hospital and needs expensive surgery to survive. He doesn't have the funds to pay for it. What do they do with him? Throw him out? Let him die on the bed?

	10-09-2005 18:46									#17
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They get the cheapest care necessary to keep them alive. ER's don't turn down anyone. Of course, if you need a new organ and don't have insurance or have cancer, you're going to die.

The thing is, if there are multiple hospitals in the area, the for-profit ones will refuse to take them, and you'll end up going to the county or public hospital. A friend I used to know lied to the emergency medical team at the accident so they would take him to a good hospital, cuz he didn't want his leg cut off.

	10-09-2005 18:58									#18
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My mother was a nurse, and had to make the decision to leave my father and go on Medicaid with my burned sister (which would have probably killed her with substandard treatment) or stay with my father and hope she could keep his worst excesses from damaging his children too badly. She was almost right, my sister survived (I got a count from her a couple of months ago - eighty total operations in 37 years) and my brother is f*cked up mentally for life. I hope all these people claiming the current system works get to spend a couple of millenia in hell with my father in charge when they die.

	10-09-2005 20:00									#19
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But...but...but I'm sure there are more millionaires than there were last year, too. So it all balances out!

	10-09-2005 20:54									#20
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Because the population is growing - there are more of everything. It is more instructive to look at the rates. In this case, we can see that the overall pverty rate increased from 12.5% to 12.7%. Slicing and dicing these numbers further, the pverty rate dropped for only 2 groups: Asians and people 65 and older.

Thus, Asians rule. The rest of you drool. Also, we should probably cut a bit on SS and Medicare and redirect that money to the rest of the population.

	10-09-2005 21:17									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Verto People who are in poverty are there because of a choice they made to not work.

Most of them work

	11-09-2005 03:15									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Most of them work

I can't believe you even bothered to respond to that

	11-09-2005 03:30									#23
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The poverty rate is always a trailing indicator at the beginning of an economic expansion...

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quote: Originally posted by Verto I can't believe you even bothered to respond to that

This is Kid.

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Is poverty measured by income alone? Or wealth aswell?

I remember seeing an article on the bbc that said that over 50% of people deemed to be in poverty in the UK were homeowners, many with no mortgage (primarily pensioners). Hence they appeared to be in poverty on the grounds that their income was less than half the national average income - this despite having sizeable asset worth of which to live.

	11-09-2005 03:44									#26
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Income alone.

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/povdef.html

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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris Don't worry, thanks to Katrina the non-insured population has diminished.

Does insurance cover "acts of God" anyway? And if it does, why is Mr Bush praying? Isn't he thankful that God acted?

	11-09-2005 05:38									#28
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quote: Originally posted by DanS The poverty rate is always a trailing indicator at the beginning of an economic expansion...

Dude, don't even try this time!

Of course, it's just been trailing for 4 years in a row!

DanS, they tried that exact same excuse LAST YEAR when the poverty rate also expanded, both in percentage AND in sheer numbers.

So the population growth excuse doesn't work either. The numbers are up. The percentage is up. This same trend has gone on for 4 years in a row.

What is the one common denominator in those 4 years? Well, I'll let you guys come up with that one.

	11-09-2005 06:57									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Dude, don't even try this time! Of course, it's just been trailing for 4 years in a row! DanS, they tried that exact same excuse LAST YEAR when the poverty rate also expanded, both in percentage AND in sheer numbers. So the population growth excuse doesn't work either. The numbers are up. The percentage is up. This same trend has gone on for 4 years in a row. What is the one common denominator in those 4 years? Well, I'll let you guys come up with that one.

QFT

	11-09-2005 07:06									#30
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It was 4 years in a row last business cycle too. This dog won't hunt.