07-06-2001 06:25									#181
	Re: Re: Browser rendering problems, including page too wide Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

quote: Originally posted by MarkG cant be done cause the colors are variables which first have to be read form the database.....

Of course you <em>could</em>, as I understand it each template has a colour scheme associated with it, which you can put into a stylesheet and load as appropiate. I am pretty sure you can use PHP to generate that.

Just a thought.

	07-06-2001 13:24									#182
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IE 5.5, Win98 SE

I seem to be unable to vote in polls - I just get a white screen with what looks like a valid address, and checking afterwards reveals that my vote as indeed not counted. This happens in all polls, including newly created ones, so it is not that they have been closed.

Also, I am still getting the "Administrator: You MUST revert you modifyoptions template" message when I try to change my avatar (and probably my options - this applied to that as well last time I tried).

	07-06-2001 13:39									#183
	Re: Re: Re: Browser rendering problems, including page too wide Suffering from ads?

quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Of course you <em>could</em>, as I understand it each template has a colour scheme associated with it, which you can put into a stylesheet and load as appropiate. I am pretty sure you can use PHP to generate that. Just a thought.

actually, the color schemes are independent from the template, and the style sheet info would go to the template. these allows two templates to be combines with three color schemes and produce six styles...

	07-06-2001 17:41									#184
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Mark, are you aware if this bizarre time problem Eli created a thread about? http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...;threadid=20387

I just had it again, my post shows up in the thread nearly 3 hours earlier than the actual time I made it. http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...;threadid=20410

EDIT: this particular post has the problem too, it's actually made 3 hours later than the time indicates.

Last edited by Colon on 07-06-2001 at 17:48

	07-06-2001 18:47									#185
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quote: Originally posted by Colon Mark, are you aware if this bizarre time problem Eli created a thread about? http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...;threadid=20387 I just had it again, my post shows up in the thread nearly 3 hours earlier than the actual time I made it. http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...;threadid=20410 EDIT: this particular post has the problem too, it's actually made 3 hours later than the time indicates.

There is something wrong with the Servertime. Read the news.

I guess it should be corrected by now, but I'm used to delays.

	08-06-2001 02:16									#186
	How many browser windows shall I open? Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Now I opend 17 windows of Netscape 4.5, ME4 and Netscape 6 and I can't see the last post yet. (just four posts on this page). I needed more than a quater of hour to get this post reply page in one of all these browser windows.

Now I got a problem with Netscape 6: Instaed of a page I got this:

quote: BODY { FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; SCROLLBAR-BASE-COLOR: #dddddd; SCROLLBAR-ARROW-COLOR: #222222; /* SCROLLBAR-3DLIGHT-COLOR: #A997C4; SCROLLBAR-HIGHLIGHT-COLOR: #A997C4; SCROLLBAR-SHADOW-COLOR: #bbbbbb; SCROLLBAR-DARKSHADOW-COLOR: #bbbbbb; SCROLLBAR-FACE-COLOR: #dddddd; SCROLLBAR-TRACK-COLOR: #ffffff; */ } UL { FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; } LI { FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; } P { FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; } TD { FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; } TR { FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; } FORM { FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; } SELECT { FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #eeeeee; COLOR: #21182F; } OPTION { FO

And I tried it in another window I got this:

quote: BODY { FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; SCROLLBAR-BASE-COLOR: #123381; SCROLLBAR-ARROW-COLOR: #edcc7e; /* SCROLLBAR-3DLIGHT-COLOR: #A997C4; SCROLLBAR-HIGHLIGHT-COLOR: #A997C4; SCROLLBAR-SHADOW-COLOR: #091675; SCROLLBAR-DARKSHADOW-COLOR: #091675; SCROLLBAR-FACE-COLOR: #123381; SCROLLBAR-TRACK-COLOR: #edcc7e; */ } UL { FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; } LI { FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; } P { FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; } TD { FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; } TR { FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; } FORM { FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; } SELECT { FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #eeeeee; COLOR: #21182F; } OPTION { FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #eeeeee; COLOR: #21182F; } TEXTAREA { FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #eeeeee; COLOR: #000000; } .bginput { FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #CCCCCC; COLOR: #000000; } .thtcolor { COLOR: #edcc7e; } .invtable { BACKGROUND-COLOR: #F8F8F8; BORDER-WIDTH: 1px; BORDER-STYLE: outset; } #all A:link { COLOR: #123381; } #all A:visited { COLOR: #123381; } #all A:active { COLOR: #123381; } #all A:hover { COLOR: #3b1b02; TEXT-

To post something since the upgrade needs a lot of time - a waste of time and of course money you pay while your are online just for waiting = nothing. That doesn't make any fun.

Maybe Markos you should take a second or third look on the code of the forum, before the forum upgrade the speed was no problem. In ME4 I also tried it with cookies - these damn little spies without any effect on the speed (I also enabled them in my profile). For me there is no difference between CTP2 light style and default style. Please fix the code I think this was mentioned here already.

I had three ME4 windows trying to load this page now all of them gave up. Apolyton was great before the upgrade please make it great again and greater.

-Martin

	08-06-2001 02:21									#187
	How many browser windows shall I open? Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by MarkG i prefer to leave it to people to edit one of their double posts. so....

...cut off.

By the way I tried now a call by call provider without a proxy server no problems. But is there another way to switch off proxy server of your provider without using another provider?

-Martin

	08-06-2001 03:56									#188
	Re: Attachements and Great Library Put an end to popups!

sorry for the delayed answer

quote: Originally posted by SlowThinker 1. May the size limit of a post be increased?

it already is too much (20k)

quote: 2. May the size limit of an attachements be increased?

how much do you need?

quote: 3. Can I add an attachement to a post with no attachement or to a post which attachement was deleted?

no to both questions

	08-06-2001 04:04									#189
	Re: How many browser windows shall I open? Enter the AD-FREE zone

quote: Originally posted by Martin Gühmann Now I opend 17 windows of Netscape 4.5, ME4 and Netscape 6 and I can't see the last post yet.

you have 17 windows of Netscape 4.5, ME4 and Netscape 6 opened at the same time and you complain about the speed of the site????????

	08-06-2001 08:45									#190
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MG,

1. Are you using a proxy server? It might be a problem with that.
2. Why would you have 17 windows open? You should know that slows down the server.
3. If your new post doesn't show up try reloading, or forces the browser to load from the server instead of the cache (NS6 only, IIRC). If not flush both the memory and disk caches and reload.
4. That's IE4, not ME4.


Markos,

Can't you have two stylesheets, one for the template and one for the colour?

	08-06-2001 18:12									#191
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Today something is different I am now 7 minutes online and I came to this page very fast. I also open 12 more windows just to try it out and only two window weren't loaded succeessfully. I opened a new window in the hope this load the page successfully. But it didn't so I opened the next window and so on. Yesterday I was quite annoyed about the slow speed it took me one hour to post my message. But I didn't post that if I am not interesting in this page.

Urban Ranger:

1. I am using a proxy server that's true, maybe it cause some trouble but that shouldn't cause a huge problem like loading times of hours.

2. I usually opend three browser windows in the old forum without any problems. 17 browser windows will slow down the server but not so dramatically that you need hours that a window is finished after 10, 20, ... minutes. I tried it today without any major problems. I don't know why that was working, today.

3. I think my browser would be faster if it would load the stuff from the memory. But yesterday I tried to post here and nothing happend as I clicked on the Submit Reply button. Trying to reload in this state of posting could cause a double post I wanted to avoid this without any success. But I wanted also be shure that this was posted. I had no chance to see it, yesterday, because the loading time was very slow and I only the the message that I was successful to post here at my second trial. Than I gave up. But one favour you could do for me Markos would be to delete my double post here in this this thread that I wanted to avoid without any success. There is no need to have post twice in one thread and it doesn't help us and I didn't made it on purpose.

4. IE4 OK thanks. But maybe I should find another name for it like M$IE4 but that's my opinion about Microsoft and doesn't belong to this thread.

-Martin

	08-06-2001 22:22									#192
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i prefer to leave it to people to edit one of their double posts. so....

	09-06-2001 03:31									#193
	Re: Re: Attachements and Great Library Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote: Originally posted by MarkG 2. May the size limit of an attachements be increased? how much do you need?

There is a new contribution about Settlers and Engineers that has about 300k (and it may grow): 400k would be enough.

(With 200k the article may be split into two parts, but it is not perfect.)

quote: Originally posted by MarkG 3. Can I add an attachement to a post with no attachement or to a post which attachement was deleted? no to both questions

Would it be complicated to make it possible? Posts longer than 20k cannot be edited and should be transformed to attachements.

	09-06-2001 08:55									#194
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

Martin,

1. Depending on status of the proxy server you are using you could be entirely cut off from the Web. It is just one of the factors however.

2. Your speed to Apolyton is determined by many factors, for example speed of the server and network congestion. If you want to know where the bottleneck is use the traceroute (tracert on Windoze machines) command. This will show you the speed an IP packet travels along each hop (link between two servers). The lower the number, the better.

3. It does, but sometimes browsers may not recognise that a webpage has been updated and will load the old version from the memory or disk cache. To stop that from happening you need to flush (empty) the caches.

	09-06-2001 12:01									#195
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

I no longer have width problems with the forum pages, the columns now seem to resize themselves politely. Thank you Mark (&/or whomever else).

Edit: forget the below paragraph as it is working normally today (Sat Jun 9). ; either it got fixed or my computer did; thanks.

I'm still getting load problems with the first ad - it never finds it and after a long (several minutes at least) period, it gives up with the "IE cannot open the internet site .... " message. The fact that I'm still getting it probably means it is something about my browser, etc, as I expect that if everyone had been getting it, it would have had more priority - on the other hand, you have been having more than your fair share of trouble lately, so maybe not. Anyway my system is still:
Win98; 1024x768.
Browser (IE) says it is 4.72.3612.1713 ;SP2;3283;

If that 3 hour time change keeps happenning, what are your thoughts on relaxing the anti-spam thing during those episodes so that people who just posted don't get locked out for 3 hours until the clock catches up. I don't know if you ever get attacked or not, but if you cut out that 45 second restriction, you might find out whether you actually need to worry (if you don't already know).

Last edited by johndmuller on 09-06-2001 at 19:36

	09-06-2001 20:08									#196
	Re: Re: Re: Attachements and Great Library Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

quote: Originally posted by SlowThinker There is a new contribution about Settlers and Engineers that has about 300k (and it may grow): 400k would be enough.

we will have to first work out some way to protect the site from bad use of such a high limit

for the time being, please post in a free-space server

quote: Would it be complicated to make it possible? Posts longer than 20k cannot be edited and should be transformed to attachements.

you mean that an existing post that is over 20k can not be edited? as for new posts, there is the "check message length" link which allows you to check if you are close to the limit

	09-06-2001 21:07									#197
	Re: Re: Re: Re: Attachements and Great Library Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

quote: Originally posted by MarkG we will have to first work out some way to protect the site from bad use of such a high limit for the time being, please post in a free-space server

??free-space server? What do you mean? Answered by Urban ranger

quote: Originally posted by MarkG you mean that an existing post that is over 20k can not be edited? as for new posts, there is the "check message length" link which allows you to check if you are close to the limit

Exactly, I mean existing posts.

Edit:
Could you allow a <B>html file</B> as an extension?
My idea about transforming long posts (as "Info: diplomats and spies" thread) into attachments wouldn't work well otherwise.

	10-06-2001 20:09									#198
	Remove this text

Slowwthinker,

There are quite a number of web hosting services that provide indivduals with free spaces for personal webpages. The most famous one being Geocities but there are many others.

I don't think you should post long posts here. Put them up at a free web hosting service and post a link here. 300K is a LOT of text. Are you sure a lot of peopel will read that?


Markos,

The "Reply with Quote" function doesn't include the time and date of the quoted post. Could you correct that? Thanks.

Last edited by Urban Ranger on 10-06-2001 at 20:29

	11-06-2001 01:50									#199
	Inflate your Upload Space

Urban Ranger,

quote: <font size=1>Originally posted by Urban Ranger </font> 300K is a LOT of text.

150K (the current limit) is a LOT of text too. But Gastrifidis has some space consuming html (or xml, i don§t know it) formatting

quote: Are you sure a lot of peopel will read that?

Of course, I think they <B>do</B> read it. I speak about "Info:..." threads.

	13-06-2001 07:51									#200
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I don't know. Personally I hate to read something of that size. I rather read a few smaller documents. It's much easier to mark your progress since I can end sessions between articles. Very hard to do that for large online articles.

Anyway, do you need all that HTML formatting? Couldn't you do it with just plain text? Or alternatively, create PDF files from your documents and provide links to them?

	14-06-2001 11:02									#201
	Re: Re: Re: Re: Attachements and Great Library Support Apolyton

quote: Originally posted by MarkG we will have to first work out some way to protect the site from bad use of such a high limit

Why not allow people with more then 500 posts to have a higher limit. In that way no newbeis will get access to more memory.

	14-06-2001 15:28									#202
	Got spare money?

I seem to have been skipped, so allow me to repost...

IE 5.5, Win98 SE

I seem to be unable to vote in polls - I just get a white screen with what looks like a valid address, and checking afterwards reveals that my vote was indeed not counted. This happens in all polls, including newly created ones, so it is not that they have been closed.

Also, I am still getting the "Administrator: You MUST revert you modifyoptions template" message when I try to change my avatar (and probably my options - this applied to that as well last time I tried).

	14-06-2001 21:46									#203
	Got spare money?

quote: 3. Can I add an attachement to a post with no attachement or to a post which attachement was deleted?

That should be possible, because I had some trouble with Opera5. I wasn't able to attach a file with this browser. After my second failure with Opera5 I was successful with Netscape6. The effect was two useless extra posts for me, because I wasn't able to attach a file to an existing post.


By the way Markos I want to change my signature (I know I leave the topic) and Dale is also waiting to see his files in the CTP2 database, unfortunatly you promissed him to update the DB soon for four weeks.

If you want to see the result of my trials here is my thread:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...?threadid=18611

Maybe you are also interested in this attachment. It deals with something broken on the CTP2 pages. For more information see my thread (I typed enough that isn't on topic in this thread.)


-Martin

	14-06-2001 23:07									#204
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger I don't know. Personally I hate to read something of that size. I rather read a few smaller documents. It's much easier to mark your progress since I can end sessions between articles. Very hard to do that for large online articles.

online?? you can simply take the page from the cache or save it...

quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Anyway, do you need all that HTML formatting? Couldn't you do it with just plain text? Or alternatively, create PDF files from your documents and provide links to them?

I placed my html at my web space. But there are people that consider to get their own web space complicated.

	15-06-2001 08:14									#205
	Tired of ads?

Chowlett,

So you're saying that after you push the "Vote" button you end up staring at a blank screen?


Martin,

Unable to add attachments seems to be a browser specific intermittent problem. With Moz 0.9 I could do it sometimes but not always. With IE4 I can do it all the time. I suggest that when you attach a file, check the thread to see if that has actually occurred.


SlowThinker,

Even if I view a large HTML document offline from cache there is still no easy way to mark my progress. PDFs are somewhat better because I can attach notes to them. I still hold that large documents should be broken down into smaller pieces no more than one or two screens.

	15-06-2001 14:56									#206
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger SlowThinker, I still hold that large documents should be broken down into smaller pieces no more than one or two screens.

It would be more laborious for creators...

	15-06-2001 16:20									#207
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Chowlett, So you're saying that after you push the "Vote" button you end up staring at a blank screen?

That is precisely what I'm saying.

	17-06-2001 20:26									#208
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Slowthinker,

It would be, but you get more people reading your stuff that way. Depending on the amount of formatting you want to add there might not be a lot of additional work. You can always use stylesheets to simply your tasks.


Chowlett,

That also happened to be before. Repeated application of "reload" worked for me IIRC.

	18-06-2001 21:33									#209
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

Well, I've given up and turned off almost all of the new goodies. I like my new avatar, but I just don't have time to wait for new pages to load.

	20-06-2001 17:54									#210
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windows 95 v400.950 c
ie 5.50

on every page load getting a runtime error.
line 150 expecting 'j'

annoying but the pages are loading much faster.

RAH