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Continued from... http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...08&pagenumber=4

Call to Power -- Internet Ratings and Rankings

Last Updated: 22-JUL-2001 (updated every other week).



RANK P NAME................... RTNG WIN. LOSS NAT.TR

0001 P BLACKICE_I............. 2125 0001 0000 CAN.ON
0002 P QUINNS_I............... 2125 0001 0000 USA.CA
0003 . GAVRUSHKA_I............ 2101 0002 0002 GBR...
0004 P BERXPERT_I............. 2100 0000 0000 MEX...
0005 P BONEY_I................ 2100 0000 0000 THA...
0006 P FRANSES_I.............. 2100 0000 0000 NED...
0007 P JPWW_I................. 2100 0000 0000 USA.GA
0008 P KEYGEN_I............... 2100 0000 0000 GRE...
0009 P SLAMP_I................ 2100 0000 0000 FRA...
0010 P SWISSY_I............... 2100 0000 0000 USA.IL
0011 P ZOBOZEWARRIOR_I........ 2100 0000 0000 FRA...
0012 P DARTH_VIPER_I.......... 2049 0000 0002 NED...


P = Provisional. Player has had less than 3 CTP Internet Game finishes.


Frequently Asked Questions

How do I become rated? Simply post, to this thread, the highest level of victory that you ever attained, (Chieftain, Warlord, Prince, King, Emperor, or Deity), in a "single player" game of Call to Power, along with the Nation and Territory that you presently reside. That's it! You'll see your name appear on the above list within a week.
How do the ratings change? See the below CTP Ratings Links section for an in depth discussion.

** It is not required to report a game until that game is finished. You may report the progress of the game on this thread if you wish, but it is not necessary. Also, try to keep your game names below 12 characters long. Thanks.


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Related CTP Ratings Links


TENPL642_AM
--- Rankings for Apolyton Call to Power Internet Rated Games.

TEN620_AM
--- Game Results for Apolyton Call to Power Internet.

RATINGS FORMULAS
--- Formulas Used in Determining Ratings Calculations.

PBEM LADDERS thread
--- Early Discussions on the Foundation of the CTP Rating System now used at Apolyton.

POPULATION GROWTH TABLES
--- CTP City Population Growth Tables.

POWER GRAPH INTERPRETED --- Discussions on Call to Power's Power Graph.

COMPANY, BATTALION, BRIGADE, DIVISION... YIKES
--- Discussions on the Standarization of the Groupings of Military Units in CTP.
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TENPL642_AM Report Legend:

NAT.TR - Nation and Territory of Primary Residence.

CTPI RATING - Starts with an initial value depending upon the highest CtP AI level ever honestly defeated: Chieftain=1400; Warlord=1600; Prince=1700; King=1800; Emperor=1900; Deity=2100. This rating changes by winning or losing to other rated players, while playing "rated" Internet games. See the CTP Multiplayer topic entitled "PBEM Ladders" (link above) for details on how this rating change is calculated.

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CTP Internet Rules:

1. All desired RATED players must have a current CTP Internet Rating before starting the game, (see above initial rating determiniation).
2. All players must agree on rated status, settings, and victory conditions, before starting the game.
3. No bug utilization tricks will be allowed. Any player found to be using those tricks will be ejected from the CTP Internet Ratings.
4. No "unwelcomed" harassment of players is permitted during game play. Players who violate this rule will be ejected from the CTP Internet Ratings.
5. All disputes will be adjudicated by Quinns, (unless, of course, Quinns is participating in the game in dispute, in which case an alternate judge will be chosen before beginning the game).

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CTP Internet Recommendations:

1. Rated Game sessions are recommended to run between 2 and 4 hours. Continuation dates and times should be established before ending the session.
2. Rated Games are recommended to be played at the KING difficulty level.
3. Rated Games are recommended to be played with: 3 Settlers, 1000 Gold, Pollution On, Blood Lust Off, and No Wonders.

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Inactivity Adjustment - Players will lose five (5) points for each month they go without a ratings adjustment, (i.e. remain inactive in the CTP Internet Ratings for an entire month).
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Internet Rating Change Table: - (example +200 to -200)

DIFFERENCE.. RATING
IN RATINGS.. CHANGE (+ for winner, - for loser)
+200 ........ 08.3
+150 ........ 11.8
+100 ........ 16.7
+050 ........ 22.2
=0 .......... 25.0
-050 ........ 27.8
-100 ........ 33.3
-150 ........ 38.2
-200 ........ 41.7


*** NOTICE TO ALL PLAYERS IN RATED INTERNET GAMES ***

The winner will please post the game result to the latest CTP Ratings thread (this thread) reporting:

1. Official game name;
2. Order of Finish of all players' APOLYTON HANDLES (no nick names please). Place players that were "unrated" in the game, in parentheses.

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*** Ratings Updated ***

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I have absolutely no objection to playing Gavrushka

I do see him all the time playing other people...but if he has an open time slot on his schedule.

We can dance






I also believe I owe blackice an apology for flaming him for no reason. I dont know what had gotten into me... I was very tired..

but thats still no excuse

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I think me and nukeboy may also want to go 'rated' with our games. Currently my marine/tank armees are about to trash his muskets........that could help my rank alot


outta curoisity quinns, how do you rate internet games? Same as PBEM ones?

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Saddam, okay we play. Quinns is up for a game?? Do we want a 4th player?

I will host and do a turn by turn save, the zipped files will be sent to all at the end of the game and moderated by someone... I am delighted you wish to join the Internet ratings, good to see!

Remember we do not play with bugs or tricks at all - makes for great gaming!

Quinns a time??

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Saddam,

Internet ratings are calculated almost the same as PBEM ratings with a couple of changes. The internet players have asked to go from a 2 digit to 4 digit rating system. So, for example, instead of a player being rated 20 they are rated 2000. The calculations and adjustments are identical to CTP PBEM, except everything is multiplied by 100. The other major difference is that the rating calculation is only done at the END of the game in Internet games, not at the *9 turns like in PBEM.

As far as being rated in Internet play goes... great! But both you and Nuke Boy need to agree on your game being rated. Once it is completed, report it on this thread and I will record it and process it along with the others. BTW, what was the highest defeat against the AI that you have had? Also, ask Nuke Boy what his highest was as well. Thanks.

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Gavrushka, we posted simultaneously. Sure, we could play on Wednesday at 6:00 p.m. (1800), or Saturday at 7:00 a.m. (0700) (Los Angeles times). Let me know if those times are good.

Quinns

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I have no work all this week ...

Im pretty much free, whatever time you guys are free.

I also would like to include a 4th player, my adversary-in-training Nuke boy...




I just hope me slow connection is up for da task of connecting to 4 guys ..

Me and nuke get are share of Reysnc's already..

this fall im getting DSL tho.

no more AOL no more phone lines !

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Like I said Saddam no biggy all in fun. So what science bug? I can moderate for you guys if you like.

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Saturday morning would be fine with me!!!!

That is 7:00am Quinn Time
This is 9:00 am Nukeboy time (GMT -6 Nuke)
3:00pm GMT

Saddam U central european??? CET?? GMT +1??

Blackice yeh please moderate- I will send all turns zipped, please check for any bug use, science jumps rush buy switching etc!!!!

Does Nuke know about this game??

Anna gets back Saturday... BUT I think it will be late night.... So I will play for three hours or so???

Are we team playing then? Me and Quinns versus you two??

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Saturday morning would be fine with me!!!!

That is 7:00am Quinn Time
This is 9:00 am Nukeboy time (GMT -6 Nuke)
3:00pm GMT

Saddam U central european??? CET?? GMT +1??

Blackice yeh please moderate- I will send all turns zipped, please check for any bug use, science jumps rush buy switching etc!!!!

Does Nuke know about this game??

Anna gets back Saturday... BUT I think it will be late night.... So I will play for three hours or so???

Are we team playing then? Me and Quinns versus you two??



i am central daylight time in America. currently it is 1:40 here...2:40 in New york citys...etc


I live in Wisconsin,USA btw


No gav, I dont know about teams...nuke needs some work yet (and im not 100% he will even be available)...

But ill talk to him being my teamie and if he has many hours of time.

Tho I would prefer just all vs all or 'let everything go with the flow'. And whoever ends up allies, will be allies ...

Also im not 100% sure nuke boy will have very long to play, he usaully doesnt.. we play in 1-3 hour increments usaully(I can play for 6 hours usaully)... So if you guys can find someone else (who has long time to play and is reliable) if you guys know of someone else to join our 4 player melee, I suggest asking


Ratings sure

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Alright Saddam, I will put both you and Nuke Boy in with a starting internet rating of 1900 each, (defeated a/i at Emperor Level). This was the rating that you both came into PBEM, initially. So unless you state otherwise, you will be rated at 1900.

See you Saturday at 0700 my time at the Cali 12 Server. That's 0900 your time Saddam (CDT), and 1500 Gavrushka's time. See you there!

P.S. And Gavrushka, you are NOT on GMT! You are on BST which is one hour ahead of GMT (GMT + 1). We made that mistake before and got fouled up. Remember? Apolyton is also wrong with their claiming to be GMT with their times. Sheeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzz!

I think I know why this confusion exists. It is because half of the year, London time DOES equal GMT. But when London goes on Daylight Savings Time or Summer Time, it jumps ahead one hour, while GMT remains the same.

Go to this site to get the proper times:

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

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THat means I will be there on saturday at 5:00pm my time



yes I hate time-zones too, I wish there was a better way
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Didnt I mean 9:00pm :conufused:

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Saddam, that's 9:00 A.M. your time on Saturday. Not 9:00 P.M.

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Saddam, that's 9:00 A.M. your time on Saturday. Not 9:00 P.M.


ok thanks

my brain is not running on all cylnders today

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Okay time now confirmed..... we will see if a 4th player offers to play.... The game I suggest is called 'Posturing' and we will meet at Cali12 at the appointed time.....

I suggest we use a reg map (as I am European might be slow)

1: Reg Map, Donut world, Island Game
2: 5000 gold 5 Settlers
3: Max ocean, Island 3, Max goods, others down the middle
4: King or Emporer
5: Alliances, Tech swapping, Map Swapping Private Messaging not allowed.
6:Blackice will moderate all turns.
7: Session will last to a max of THREE hours

Looking forward to it....

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Hi guys, if you still need the 4th player I have the Saddam time, (I think) and can play for 3 hours the saturday at the morining.

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berXpert!! GREAT!! And then there were four....

So saturday morning it is..... after we have played and the game result is finalised we take some time to discuss tactics and improve each others game.... Do we all feel confident....

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berXpert!! GREAT!! And then there were four....

So saturday morning it is..... after we have played and the game result is finalised we take some time to discuss tactics and improve each others game.... Do we all feel confident....


Yes



It should be a good game.

We should discuss somthing important... I play VERY fast turns. Because I setup my building queqe's and City settings when its not my turn. My turns (even towards the end of the game) last only 25-50 seconds...

So a Time-limit would work great too keep the game going fast!

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No Saddam, no speed turns... the game will have as much a social element as a competition element - whilst playing I like to chat - Quinns is a good friend, and we like to talk as we play - I sure hope that you and berXpert join in the chat too... We are old men and cannot be rushed.....

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i have played the Mexican maurader before ...

He is very good...




As for chatting, I will only be 'private chatting' with my allie, whoever he may be...

I may engage is some 'propaganda' public stuff...

also, I hope these old men and turns you speak of are not 15 minutes long

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Cool, I'll be there.

Hey Saddam I'm not good, just lucky

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Saddam are u determined to make my life difficult???

I suggest that we do not have alliances and tech swapping and private messaging for fairness and you now want to do the exact opposite..... I thought the idea of the game was to check out the relative strengths of the 'Elite GLers ' against us lowly converts..... Moderator.... a ruling pleae.....

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lol no private messaging or allies .

Sure you should RESTRICT (not outlaw) tech exchange, but you PM and alliances are part of the game



Also I think Max water is lame. I like the 'continents' game. Bye setting water on 6 and continents on 8...

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May I make a suggestion? Why not just meet up on Saturday and pair up do what ever and play? I will moderate any game I am not in.

One word of caution Saddam has claimed to know of a science bug. He has yet to tell anyone here that I know of what it is. If you don't know how a bug works how do you know what to look for? I personally will not play him till he comes clean, and don't beleive he is acting in the spirit of why this was setup to begin with.

I will also add since we don't know how the bug is used or what to look for you may reconcider making it a rated game as how other than the obvious (Is it?) is a moderator suppose to accurately moderate a game?

No offence Saddam but lets look at the record.

You claimed to play Paul you did not, you claimed to play these other GL players yet you ignore repeated request's for your GL name so as this tale can be verified. You claim there is a science bug but refuse to tell any one about it... trust, honesty, openess and is not the first words that come to mind when I hear your name. I mean no offence again by this but, have the facts will have the opinion. Care to change my mind?

IMO this is not the way we operate here is it??? Again Saddam this is not a personal attack it looks that way but it is not. It is a fact finding lets clear the air statement. It is a freindly atmosphere here and as freinds we share important information to help keep the game clean and as far from the GL atmosphere and lack of integrety that has dogged it for some time now.

I know I know work on your diplomacy lol...

Berxpert would love to play and finish our game soon. :0)

Keygen what happened to the game?

Damon would love to finish ours up soon?

That said :0)

See you all Saturday I will be there at 7:00 am EDT...

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You know, Blackice, that sounds like the best suggestion yet. Anyone interested in playing a CTP Internet Rated game, just meet at the Cali12 server at 7:00 a.m. Los Angeles time on Saturday. Too many times we have tried to organize beforehand, only to have someone or other not show up for one reason or another. Whoever is there, we will decide then how to split up and what the settings are. That sounds great Blackice!

That's:

7:00 a.m. Los Angeles time,
9:00 a.m. Milwaukee time,
10:00 a.m. New York time,
2:00 p.m. Greenwich Mean Time (UTC),
3:00 p.m. London time,
4:00 p.m. Amsterdam time,
5:00 p.m. Athens time,
6:00 p.m. Moscow time,
9:00 p.m. Bangkok time,
10:00 p.m. Singapore time,
12:00 a.m. (midnight) Sydney time (Sunday),
2:00 a.m. Wellington time (Sunday).

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Blackice, some wise words. factual and I hope no offence is taken. What I suggest is the following:

We all meet up as agreed and we pair into two player games.. I will take on Saddam, unfortunately the game will, needs must be unrated... The crazy thing is Saddam is, at present, in a lose lose situation - If I beat him, he loses, if he beats me, the veil of suspicion and mystery he has thrown up will lead us to believing it was dishonest - Saddam please address these issues whilst you have time.


As regards settings, we will leave all sliders in the central position as we have different preferences....

Saddam, you I hope will post prior to Saturday to account for your previous posts.... Frankly there are one or two people here rattled by your comments as we set this Ratings Thread up to avoid the Gutter Issues that you are bringing here...

Quinns berXpert... You want to play a game.... and Ice and Darth??

Quinns we play tonight yeh?

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Sure gav,Ive been on CTP LAN for 3 years now. I did register for GL, but I never did accumulate a good record, or a meaningful record at all.Before the 1.2 patch came out, CTP TCP was alot CTP2 and it was difficult to run through a game. My name, I must check, if im not mistaken. It should be Saddam Hussien or Saddam.

Yes I played all the old guys. Yoda, Tal, Sir Leaf,Tito, Zar. All are excellent players. I assure you Gav, Im no walkover, and any underestimation of me will be fatal on your part

Recently after about 8 months of not playing CTP, I went back and then in January I was lucky enough to hear about 'PBEM' from if I remember correctly, you Quinns.

I was given a link, a started browsing the through the games and began reading them, and got interested in PBEM and joined it. Then I stopped LAN again for a few months(was playing PBEM) until I got a Message from Nuke boy who wanted to play over TCP with me. I had no objections, so there we get toghether every night and play games.

yes Gav i have apoligized for my dumb comments, I dont know what came over me. If I remember i was agitated and tired that night. I know, still no damn excuse for what I said.


I have also sent an email to GL asking for my pw. It was stored on my old cpu browser, which currently resides in the garage. Tho This play is not for GL right?




I will obtain the savegame file and send it for ratings...

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The Science bug was an obtainable crack a few years back that people were using. Instead of getting 50%, 60%, 70% of Science dollars invested.

It gave you 53%,63%,73% (always +3) etc. Odd bug, but it nonetheless gave people a noticable science edge. This was a cracked executable and was available on a university server. And it was about 600mb. So it was pretty big. I recall many people downloaded and many people still probably use it.

I have also heard complaints about a crack that gave you less science like 49%, 59%,69%. But the two cracks are not related.

I know some other dumb bugs of the game . None as seroius as that one. but nonetheless, there bugs.

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Saddam, thanks that clears a lot up...

I would hate to think you were a bad player, and never imagined for one minute you were anything other than a good player - I will tell you now, I do not get depressed distressed, or even mildly annoyed when I lose, I learn from it, and enjoy the game...

It is a pity you will not play an islands game, but I am sure that we will spar many times on different kinds of map - but for now I hope you agree neutral settings Reg Map - 5 settlers 5000 gold to start- and yeh no wonders.. bloodlust on pollution on, and donut world? emporer or king? - I usually say no nukes, if the game gets that far... do you agree?

I look forward to playing you now, before i gotta say I was a little peaved!

 
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