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I feel betrayed and stepped on

First of all.....the 2 biggest nations on earth have put ever more increasing demands on my tiny nation. I had nothing do to with this war.....or the pollution disaster that followed. The blame can solely be placed on the worlds biggest pollutter-France. Therefor I demand nations of the world stop scapegoating on the Inca people..

Noble Xenophon...We will hand over only 1 australian city. Had we not known about the prevoius deal in hinsight ; we would have impleneted it. Now consider the prevoius deal made.....enacted.

Mobuis, we will COMPLY with your demands as long as Cuzco itself is spared.


Note: We will use our remaining nuclear weapons should any of the above agreements be broken. Scientists warn that 2 more nuclear detonotation will start another great flood...a flood that will submerse not only swamps. But entire Coastlines.

General Glorita

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(out of turn, in response to recent events)



Let me very clear, so that there can be no mistaking my words:

General Glorita, There was NO PREVIOUS DEAL with Inca. At the request of Thor, I had agreed to hold back Greek armies for ONE TURN, pending further negotiation.

That turn has now passed.

But Thor left Inca before negotiations could commence.

The negotiations with you were undertaken in the same good faith that they would have been undertaken with the departed Thor. And an agreement with you was then publicly reached.

Now, after unwelcome meddling by the Welsh government (both public and private), history has apparently been muddied for Inca leaders. We are surprised at the machinations by General Keygen , but understand how they could have created a false impression of the facts for the new leader of Inca.

And we are hopeful in Athens that now that the Inca government has had the situation clarified, they will honor the agreement that has brought them peace with Greece, and will be less hasty about throwing out words like "betrayed".

Furthermore, Greece does not take kindly to threats and nuclear blackmail. We assume that the wise General Glorita has received some bad advice that prompted him to utter such words, and must now regret them.

Xenophon

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Perhaps you should take into account the two dozen greek coastal cities? I think you should give them advanced notice to evacuate....9 turns till disaster of biblical proportions.

I cannot allow you to take more than one australian city. Besides! How much do you produce a turn!?50,000????


What more else could you need...

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The french have accepted the demands.

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I think my email was clear Rick. You and Thor were under negotiations. I didn't mention anywere that there was a deal. It is obvious that Saddam had the impression that there were no negotiations underway but instead Greek troops ruthlessly advancing. Who would offer so many cities if he was under negotiations and not such demand had been made?

I really don't know why you kept secret your negotiations with Thor from Saddam. We all have the obligation to inform the parmantent replacements and I always do.

This has nothing to do with the role I play here so I don't know why you are refering to me as General?

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OK, so I'll call you Keygen.

Look, there were no negotiations ongoing with Inca. All that was ever agreed to with Thor was a one-turn cease fire after which Greece would make a statement on future foreign policy in response to all that had happened while I was away. This was going to be done here, and not in secrecy.

I'm sorry, but there just weren't any negotiations to inform Saddam of, and certainly no deal. Had there been negotiations or a deal in the works, I agree with you that as a new player to this game, Saddam should (and would) have been informed. Hope this clears things up.

Rick

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Statement from Athens regarding recent world events.



Before leaving on vacation, I sent private communications to
world leaders insisting that Greece would not tolerate a two-against-one
attack on Wales, and I also made this known in this forum.

The instructions that I left for General Hexagonian were that he was to
attempt to remain peaceful, but in the event of an attack on Greece, he was
to defend the homeland. I also told him that Greece did not wish to see an
attack by several nations upon one, and that next to peace, world stability
was of the highest importance to our nation.

As you all know, I asked for a cease-fire to take place while I was to be
gone on vacation. I was aware that tensions were high, and that there appeared
to be skirmishes between Inca and France, but they did seem rather suspicious
to Greek analysts. These suspicions turned out to be well-founded. However, it was
felt at the time that such minor conflicts, while unfortunate, were the business
of the sovereign nations involved. There was the mistaken belief in Athens that
all nations would behave honorably in my absence.

So it is with great dismay that I found that Spain was attacked by both
France and Inca as soon as I left, obviously timed to take advantage of the
belief that Greece would not be able to intervene. This attack broke the
spirit of the cease-fire agreement, as it sought to make gain while Greece
was presumably unable to act. But General Hexagonian saw the inherent
unfairness in the sneak gang-attack upon Spain (using nukes, no less) and
acted to try and put pressure on the Inca/French attackers to back off.
While Greece has no great love for Spain, neither have we a desire to see
her treated thusly.

It is noted that this attack upon Spain came while the government of Greece
was temporarily in the hands of a regent. It is of further interest that it
was carried out without provocation by Spain, and is obviously designed to
enhance the power of Inca and France. Interestingly, Greece was given no
prior knowledge of this attack, which can only mean that Greece was also on
the target list, probably after Spain was worn down by a two-nation assault.

Furthermore, both Inca and France have acted in ways that attack the very
stability of the Earth, embracing a polluting government, and ridiculing the
idea of cutting pollution, even after Spain was generous enough to provide
the technology that would make this goal attainable. Spain has unfortunately
not acted in their own backyard, and is producing much of the environmental
damage happening today. Even worse, Inca and France's use of nuclear weapons
has both increased pollution, and thrown away one of the few taboos that
"civilized" nations agree on to prevent our descent into total destruction.

Recent changes in government have prompted calls from France and Inca to end
this war. That they came after considerable loss to these nations who started
the war shall not be further commented upon. The new leaders, while having continued
to carry out the carnage, are not the original instigators, and deserve a chance
to prove that they are peaceful. Greece wishes to return to peace herself.

But the effect of these attacks is that Greece must think of her own security.
Thus, we have asked that certain small Inca villages near Greece be disbanded.

In addition, before we could negotiate for the peaceful transfer of other Inca
cities to Greece, General Glorita took it upon himself to be a peacemaker, and
Inca cities which were the booty of an older war with Australia were offered.
That this came on the heels of another nuclear attack at his order shall not
be dwelled on by me.

Now General Glorita has changed his mind, and declares that he will attempt to
end the world if his new conditions are not met. We do not believe that he wishes
to be remembered by the world a the greatest mass-murderer ever. And we also
want to try and resolve this situation, so that the world can return to peace.

General Glorita, I hope it is now clear from the previous post that the deal you
have spoken of never existed. But Greece wants to return to the peaceful relations
that we enjoyed with your nation since time began.

So, rather than insisting on the previously accepted peace proposals, Greece is
willing to accept the following:

1) The disbandment of the previously agreed to small cities.

2) The agreement to cease in the use of nuclear weapons.

3) The folding of the previously Australian cities of Cairns, Ayer and Hobart
into the the Greek nation. I will give you the choice of either adding Exmouth
to the list, or disbanding it, as it remains too close to Greek cities, while
being overseas from Inca.


All of this must commence immediately in order for peace to begin.
As an additional concession, upon completion of these actions, I will disband
Lima, ceding the territory to Inca.


Xenophon

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As the victim of an elaborate joint surprise attack by both France and Inca, Spain corroborates the account of recent exents put forth by the Greeks...

Just because the leadership of both France and Inca has changed doesn't mean that Spain has to end her war with both nations, especially as both new leaders continued to press home their attacks!

Now that France has accepted Spain's peace proposals, the world has Spain's word that she will make no unprovoked attacks against France.

Spain is pleased the the new Incan leader has been adequately appraised of his nation's past deeds and accepted the conditions that will end our war with Inca. Indeed Inca will have an extra turn to evacuate the designated area.

As for the pollution concern...

Spain feels highly affronted with regards to these accusations of high pollution output!

Firstly we were attacked by two nations and needed to produce defensive units as quickly as possible!

Secondly Spain has had to absorb almost a dozen highly polluting French cities! This has increased our pollution levels significantly as we struggle to assimilate their noxious effects into our economy!

Thirdly During this time, such improvements as have been able to be built on a wartime footing have all sought to reduce pollution - not increase it (Spain has already imposed a moratorium on all pollution producing improvements!)

Fully half a dozen new anti pollution measures will be online next cycle! ALL cities will be reduced below a pollution level of 100 within the next couple of turns - after that the new target will be below a level of 50...

Spain will not hear any more of these proposterous claims that she is guilty of polluting the World irresponsibly!!!


CREDO


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OK, so I'll call you Keygen.

Look, there were no negotiations ongoing with Inca. All that was ever agreed to with Thor was a one-turn cease fire after which Greece would make a statement on future foreign policy in response to all that had happened while I was away. This was going to be done here, and not in secrecy.

I'm sorry, but there just weren't any negotiations to inform Saddam of, and certainly no deal. Had there been negotiations or a deal in the works, I agree with you that as a new player to this game, Saddam should (and would) have been informed. Hope this clears things up.

Rick



OK, I see.

Apparently I had the impression that you and Thor were under negotiations so I felt obliged to inform Saddam.

My appologies Rick

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I had the impression that a deal had been reached allowing the disbandment of Ancon1 (which Ironically is now controlled by Barbarian Rebels).

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That's OK, Keygen. But I did want to clarify what had actually taken place.


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I had the impression that a deal had been reached allowing the disbandment of Ancon1


When it was settled, I had protested Ancon1's encroachment on an existing Greek city to Thor (before I went on vacation), but he never even responded. I decided to let it go until I came back, at which time there were bigger problems. Then he left the game, before any more discussions could be held.

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(which Ironically is now controlled by Barbarian Rebels).


Yes, the people of Ancon1 seemed not to be happy under the rule of the previous leader on Inca...

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Turn 176 --> General Glorita

World peace seems within grasp, as Inca and Greece sign a Peace Treaty, joining Spain and France in settling their differences peaceably.

France is to be further congratulated for having cut their pollution dramatically.

However, with another disaster a mere 8 turns away, Greece hopes that the words of progress from Spain are not just words.

In another happy development, the valiant people of Ancon1 have asked to join the Greek people, and today we are pleased to announce that we have accepted their request.

Xenophon

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We have herby complied with all peace negotiations hammered out with the greeks during the Athens meetings. We wish to however Retain Brisbane.

We have complied with the Spainish peace terms hammered out at Cuzco.

Tho while it may seem like a horrible coincedince that my former name was Saddam. I assure you that I have complied with the Nuclear profliferation pact and assure nations of the world that my moderately sized nuclear arsenal is on its way to be seeled off in Mt.Chupi to be exploded. Tho you have no ways of verifying this. You will all just have to trust me

We expelled the settler near Lima. We hope the greeks return the favor with our wayward settler near Ancon.

1 last australian city has been evacuated. But the garrison is unable to be rescued this turn.

FG,

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Turn 177 ==> Keygen

It is ironic that the Greeks criticised Spain on matters of pollution when one of their cities tops the pollution league table!

While Spain would never accuse another nation of Gross Hypocrisy, she does feel that Greece should climb down from her soapbox and practice what she preaches!

On other matters, Spain is pleased to announce that following Incan compliance of the Spanish peace proposal, six Incan cities will be assimilated into the Spanish collective next cycle.

This will end the brief hostilities between our two nations...

CREDO


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Turn 176 --> General Glorita

Greece has to give credit to Spain for having lowered their pollution, but we fear it is a case of "too little, too late". And the insinuations of Greek pollution seem to be but a Spanish "smokescreen", to hide the blame for their own guilty actions. As the Spanish government well knows, Greece has but one polluting city, and that city is about to become far less so. But even after having cut their pollution, Spain still earns the dubious honour of the most polluting land on this planet. Should any harm come to Greek citizens from these policies, we will hold Spain responsible...



As relations with Inca continue to improve, Greece awaits the disbandment of Arequipal1 and the evacuation of Exmouth, that we can say that all accounts have been settled. For truly the dove of peace has been making great progress in our two lands of late.

Xenophon

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Umm, make that Turn 177 --> General Glorita

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With the dove of peace flying high in the sky and the threat of total annexation Behind us. The Inca people are moving to put right what was once wrong. Destroying Nuclear warheads, complying with the Peace accords, and pulling back hostile military units from the border.

However many threats still remain. Dire warning from our scientists that the Earth yet again entered into disaster as the Ozone has depleted. It was too late to save it.....now the Scortched polluted earth will become even more so as useless wastelands of toxic dust can be seen as far as the eye can see. The future of Humanity looks extremely grim as it is yet 9 turns till the next disaster. Our Agriculture minister warns this latest ozone desatir could lead to a massive Famine due to hungry migrating locusts and poor rain.....and again more toxic tiles.

Inca also hereby declares her strict neutrality in any future conflicts. We believe the current finger pointing over who's to blame for the molestation of the earth between the Greeks and Spanish will most definetaly escalate. We will have no part in future destruction.

Now.....time to go stock up on Sunblock

Also.....Inca has never ever been among the worlds top 3 polluters. I would caution any nation who would place blame on Inca. In our opinion...French are the ones to blame for most all of this mess. Having only 10% of the worlds population, yet 30% of its pollution!! I would back a plan by nations of the world forcing France to pay some sort of reparations for the damage they have enflicted on us all.

FG

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Turn 178 ==> Keygen

Still the accusations fly from Greek mouths with regards to who is responsible for this pollution - and still these accusations are found wanting...

While Greece bleats on finding others to blame, it should be noted that during this time her pollution output has remained static. So now, not only does Greece has the world's most polluting city - but she is now the world's most polluting nation!

When Greece talks of smokescreens, perhaps she should look to the one that she has erected so convincingly over her own noxious industries?

If any Greek citizens are harmed Greece should seek her scapegoats close to home - should she come knocking on Spain's door, we will be ready!

On a lighter note...

Spain has renewed diplomatic relations with France and will do so with Inca next cycle. The territorial concessions made by Inca have been taken up and Spain looks forward to working with General Glorita to help in rebuilding the shattered economy of the Inca Republic...

CREDO


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So now, not only does Greece has the world's most polluting city


I do not think that one city even the most pulliting one is a measurement
The accusations for both the last and the upcomming natural disaster should be thrown to the use of nuclear weapons and the maximization of production due to war. That would exlcude Greece from the main responsibles.

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Spain has renewed diplomatic relations with France and will do so with Inca next cycle. The territorial concessions made by Inca have been taken up and Spain looks forward to working with General Glorita to help in rebuilding the shattered economy of the Inca Republic...


Now that the Incans have suffered the worst from this war though they have done the less they are treated as friends. Sounds like hypocrisy to me
However we greet the initiative and the commitment that Spain will aid the Incans to recover from the war

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Turn 178 --> General Glorita

We appreciate the wisdom of General Constantine, who has a clearer understanding of both the source and dangers of pollution than some here.

Regarding the output of pollution in Greece, we are happy to report that Naxos will dramatically reduce her levels within 2 cycles, with further reductions to follow. Other Greek cities are also following this eco-friendly path, and although scientists now find the time to disaster has doubled, we shall not slow our efforts, and hope the rest of the world will continue their admirable progress.

While all grieve at the appearance of so many blighted and blackened acres, volunteers from all over Greece have begun working to restore this land to it's original green and bountiful form. At the same time, the Greek Corp of Engineers have almost finished rebuilding the transportation infrastrucure destroyed in the last disaster, and have even been updating them to reflect recent improvements in high-speed rail.

A Greek diplomat has arrived at the Inca outpost of Arequipa1. We request permission from General Glorita to establish diplomatic relations with Inca, after which it is assumed that the city will be disbanded, as agreed earlier.

Xenophon

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Sorry...Im getting a new moniter today. Will have the turn sent tonight

Besides when I played the turn 2 days ago 4 of my tanks got stuck in space. I dont have space launchers...they sort of just fell off the map!

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Why there no more St Jon Stories ??

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New moniter up and running (well not really new...used but works. Picked it up yesterday for 50 bucks )

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"Good news, the first decline in global pollution ever! THe threat has subsided from 9 turns....to 15. We thank the Spanish for there quick actions to put a lid on pollution"

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Cause there is no more of St Jon.
He quited all his games.

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Turn 179 ==> Keygen a few hours ago.

All is quiet once more on our World as peace regains a tenuous foothold - let us hope that this peace is only the beginning, as we all strive to avert another global catastrophe...

Spain notes with sadness that the World's most polluting power still has a steady output of pollution - despite propaganda to the contrary...

CREDO


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And played and sent a few hours after (yesterday) to Rick

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Turn 179 --> General Glorita

With our Diplomat approaching the great city of Huamachuchu, Greece intends to seal our peace with the Inca nation. May this be the start of a long friendship.

But why do our friends in Madrid seem more interested in causing a rift? Surely they see the ludicrousness of attacking Greece as a polluter. Although we have just taken the lead in that regard, it is by but a tiny margin over Spain, who had long held a HUGE lead before that for hundreds of years. Greece on the other hand has held steady at much lower levels due to a policy of concern for the environment. Furthermore, as we have already stated, Greece will show even more progress starting after our next turn.

It is to be hoped that Spain is not seeking to further deteriorating relations with Greece for some dark purpose.

Xenophon

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Another turn of trying to rebuild from the mass destruction of the Second World war. Despite Rush buying luxurys and providing extra wages for the people.....it has not discourged the mass exodus of refugee's leaving the nation. We continue to do our best in this area.


A spy attempted to a anarchy revolt in a inca city. Varouis reports said the spy was killed in the attempt handing out illicited propaganda. Others reported that the spy fled west through the vast plains and mountains of Greece. Fighters scrambled to look for the traveler.....in a white SUV. But it was like looking for a needle in a haystack. We apoligize for the incursions into Greek airspace....our fighters will return home Asap.

Pollution held firm this turn. 14 turns and counting...


Glorita,

 
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