12-10-2001 11:39									#181
	Inflate your Upload Space

quote: Originally posted by yin26 By the way, Shiva...rest assured that I do consider you a forum whore. Congratulations on the title.

Ahhh yes another childish comeback.

	12-10-2001 11:40									#182
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Shiva: Buy a BIG notepad.

	12-10-2001 11:42									#183
	Inflate your Upload Space

For the sake of this thread I will ask Shiva to direct his rants at me through PMs. No reason the rest of the forum should suffer any more of this piddly garbage.

Shiva: If you want any more responses from me in this thread, PM me. You obviously have some personal issues with me in your odd world you have made, so PM me. Most likely I'll find it not worth my time to reply...but you might surprise me by making sense or something.

Thanks.

	12-10-2001 11:48									#184
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by yin26 For the sake of this thread I will ask Shiva to direct his rants at me through PMs. No reason the rest of the forum should suffer any more of this piddly garbage. Shiva: If you want any more responses from me in this thread, PM me. You obviously have some personal issues with me in your odd world you have made, so PM me. Most likely I'll find it not worth my time to reply...but you might surprise me by making sense or something. Thanks.

Sorry not going to waste my time with it. Funny how you didnt have an answer for the last arguement I posted. Guess that says it all

	12-10-2001 11:51									#185
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

'Hey, how did that PM get posted here?'

	12-10-2001 12:12									#186
	Got spare money?

Yin, you are really boring me.

	12-10-2001 12:25									#187
	Tired of ads?

Ah, and the ever-thrilling Imran trolls in...

	12-10-2001 12:26									#188
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

yin, what's with you today?

	12-10-2001 12:31									#189
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Long or short version? LOL! For what it's worth, Firaxis has blown it with me, and there's a good chance I won't be buying this game at all. Does that matter to anybody else here? No.

So why am I still here? Just wrapping up a few things. It's kind of like that morbid curiosity to look at a car wreck. And I do want to be around to say "I told you so" just to piss off a few select people around here...but that's all in good fun. A lot of people have mediocre standards and will be happy, so life is easier for them and needlessly complicated for me.

As for 'today'? Well, lots of stress actually. But I won't bore you. Thanks for asking, though.

	12-10-2001 12:34									#190
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Wonderful... so just leave already or bring your trolls somewhere else.

Some people are pissed about MP, and won't buy it, or cancel their preorders, but MOST Civ players are for the SP version.

You are a tired act. I've seen it too much.

	12-10-2001 12:35									#191
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

And I repeat: Imran's fresh material always send shivers down my spine.

	12-10-2001 12:38									#192
	Get a bigger avatar today!

Yin26, et al.:

If Firaxis charges $59 for SP and people snap it up, fine. If they then want another $10 to $20 to put out an MP part later, I'm sure the folks who *want* MP will get it. Those of us who like SP only will stick with that.

Everyone wins. SP folks get what they want, and the MP folks get their high, too.

CYBERAmazon

	12-10-2001 12:45									#193
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

Yin some time ago you were so pissed off with the game you decided to leave this forum and not come back. What made you change your mind and is there any chance you might reconsider?

	12-10-2001 12:47									#194
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

LOL! Like I said, it's all morbid curiosity at this point...

	12-10-2001 12:56									#195
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

And I'm glad to see that Yin still can't respond to anything I say .

	12-10-2001 13:00									#196
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by Mannamagnus Yin some time ago you were so pissed off with the game you decided to leave this forum and not come back. What made you change your mind and is there any chance you might reconsider?

hm, yin, what if the game turns out to be great? are you prepared to print your posts and eat them with some soya sauce?

	12-10-2001 17:54									#197
	Get a bigger avatar today!

What's the matter with Yin?
Looks like that old patriot has really gone wild
now. First preached about Civ III and piracy,
and it looks like has lost his mind.

I suppose you get nuts if you live a few years
in South Korea, if you're from US.

But anyway, back to the subject.

I will buy Civ III, even if it won't include MP or
I would have to buy an expansion CD.

	12-10-2001 18:05									#198
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

sure yin may have gotten out of hand, but the guys got principles atleast. Which is more than I can say for a lot of people round here

	12-10-2001 18:05									#199
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

quote: Originally posted by Mannamagnus What made you change your mind and is there any chance you might reconsider?

Trying to get deity status, perhaps?

	12-10-2001 18:50									#200
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

sorry, no time to read all the posts, so I may be repeating something.


FOOLS! HERITICS!, how dare you question the wisdom of the SID! I will sacrifice a cat at my alter to Firaxis that they may stay thier mighty wrath.

Oh, and if MP is that important to you, hold off and purchase the MP version that will be sure to come.

	12-10-2001 19:02									#201
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

I actually consider a critical stance much more fruitful than any other. It might benefit the creators in the future (patches, add-ons, Civ4) and it might inspire the consumers to appreciate the game better. Being critical does not mean one is not enjoying the game.

What does strike me as odd is the worshipful attitude several people exhibit, which is ill-founded in my eyes, as there is no basis for it. The proof is in the pudding, and as of now, there is no pudding yet. So let's not surrender the guard beforehand shall we?

	12-10-2001 19:10									#202
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

The real community-builder, the real social interaction is not in MP; it's in customisation. That's the only thing I really care about, plus decent basic gameplay. From what I see, that will be well catered for (Customisable governments and unit special abilities!).

	12-10-2001 19:22									#203
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

quote: Originally posted by Snapcase The real community-builder, the real social interaction is not in MP; it's in customisation. That's the only thing I really care about, plus decent basic gameplay. From what I see, that will be well catered for (Customisable governments and unit special abilities!).

Yet if you look at the forum posts you see 3 times more Civ2 MP posts than Civ2 Creation posts and about 14 times more MP posts in the SMAC forum.

	12-10-2001 19:38									#204
	Lies, Damn lies and statistics.... Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

quote: Originally posted by SITS Yet if you look at the forum posts you see 3 times more Civ2 MP posts than Civ2 Creation posts and about 14 times more MP posts in the SMAC forum.

Well of course - it's one of the mediums that's used to communicate between different players during MP games (and very entertaining they can be )

...it's what kept me lurking for all those years

The Smac MP posts tend to be very boring "Turn 2143 passed to ar$eface2.." etc

This is a good example of how just looking at the numbers gives you an inaccurate picture.

	12-10-2001 19:52									#205
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

quote: Originally posted by Shiva You really dont understan that most of the people who are going to buy this game never have or will vist here do you? You really dont understand that most people will have any idea that MP was going to be in it to start.

Many Games Magazines (on paper and on-line) usually cut some point from a game overall vote, if it can't be played in any MP form.

Some reviewers browse around sites like this to see what's happening with the game. It helps also to make a more detailed review when you are short on time to press .

Sure, many reviewers will stick with standard PR pre-cooked publisher leaflet and advertising, but some will be fair reviewing the game.

I'm not speaking about people who will buy or not the game just looking at the box

Many will probably like to consider different point of view, then make their choice. Some not, but I haven't anything against them, if only they admit I can have a different opinion.

BTW, I see a lot of abuse of the word "sheep", but sheeps are good animals, very useful for making wool and usually mentioned with good meanings in books as The Holy Bible.

OTOH, Black Sheeps...

	12-10-2001 19:56									#206
	Full PM-box? Change here!

Could it be because organized religion is the ultimate herd of sheep?

	12-10-2001 20:12									#207
	Increase Your PM Length

quote: Originally posted by drake Could it be because organized religion is the ultimate herd of sheep?

My, I was trying to chill down a bit the debate when you raise a Religion War! Not here, not now

	12-10-2001 20:14									#208
	Full PM-box? Change here!

Just poking fun Adam....
a religous debate is the LAST thing I'd want to do!

	12-10-2001 20:47									#209
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by yin26 So I would say: 'It's not that important' unless you've spent the last two years of a lot of your free time to try to help the company get some great ideas...only to be basically blown aside.

The only people who feel this way are the MP people or people who seem to have expected EVERYTHING they want be implemented. Many, many people who are not MP players have spent just as much time giving ideas, and they are excited about the product coming out. You can't speak for everyone here.

And again, it's Firaxis's game, not anyone elses. They don't have an obligation to implement ANY suggestions, but they have implemented MANY. Making blanket statements that they "blew aside" the Civ fans is false.

quote: . But will alienating a core group of your most die hard fans eventually bite you in the butt?

I see nothing that shows they've done this. They vast majority of die hard Civ fans are not MP players.

It's funny how you harp on how ungrateful and Firaxis is toward the fans. I see the opposite, ungrateful people ripping on Firaxis. The mere fact that Dan is here so much and does answer so many questions is far more than I ever would have expected. Certainly more than other game companies do.

quote: Of course, the tumble-weed posters here who invested nothing in this process the past 2 years are rolling in here with their b.s., uninformed attitude that there is nothing to complain about. I suppose if I had ignored Civ3 the past 2 years I'd feel the same way.

In no way does your length of time here in any way make your opinion or feelings more valid than theirs. By this logic, I can say that since I've played Civ since the original first came out, my opinion is more valid than people who started with Civ II. This is not true and utterly pointless to bring up.

Cheers.

	12-10-2001 21:13									#210
	Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Well... Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by Shiva Naaa its just one of the terms I see tossed around too much and it just rubs me the wrong way.

Rubs you the wrong way?

Don't get twigs and/or laves in your wool, they are hell to get out..

(And I will not comment on sheep and rubbing the wrong way, rofl!)