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Ozymandous
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Atlanta, GA
Aug 2001
time: 00:15
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Originally posted by Shiva
You miss the point. If they buy something then they have crossed whatever threshold of information and fact they needed.
Just because it doesnt match your own does not make any less valid. It most certainly doesnt warrant calling them sheep. Just because someone trusts Firaxis doesnt make it blind trust. I trust them. They havnt done anything to really torque me off. When they do I'll add them to EA and Sierra. Its still a matter of thresholds of the people. I dont call people who love games from Sierra "sheep". |
Heh, call me pessimistic and I'll agree with you. Seems that too many games are released half-complete and full of bugs. Ranting helps pass the time until patches come out anyway... 
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The doomsayer comment wasnt aimed at you. Looking back it I should have made that clear or just replied to AH. Sorry about that. That was general opinion on people like Yin and spamcanman (AH since he was the first to toss the sheep in this thread) and others like them that seem to be found in every board. But the point again was that "sheep" comments are baseless and tossed anytime they meet resistance and are always painting with the broad brush. |
Heh, that sheep thing really stuck with you, eh? Even if, as you said to me, it wasn't aimed at those who don't buy the game as soon as it hits the stores? 
Aww, come on, you know I was just kidding right? Right? Anywho this debate has been fun, bvut it's 5 o'clock and time to go. At least I got to warlord status from this thread..  
*whistles as he walks out the door*
No hard feelings.  Oh, and buy the way, I have been a sheep and buying a game just becuase of who makes it only to have it turn into a coaster many times myself. I just don't like to see others have to deal with that, maybe all the pessimistic talk will spur some non-fanatic thoughts either way (doubt it, but fun to do).
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Steve Clark
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Colorado Springs, CO
Oct 1999
time: 22:15
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Ozy: In my case, at least, it's not about blind loyalty. I couldn't less about that. Simply put, I love Civ2 so maybe I'll love Civ3 as well. Unlike yin, whose past efforts made him believe that Firaxis owes him a revolutionary game, I really don't care if I get Civ3 or not. Sure I would love to play it but if not, there are games to play and things to do.
But even with that attitude, that shouldn't stop anyone from offering suggestions, fixes, ideas, etc. For example, I hope they implement my idea of randomizing civ attributes. If they do, fine, if not, that's fine too. Just know that we are fans, no more or less important than any other customers from the company's perspective.
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squid
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Originally posted by Osweld
I'll buy it just to tick yin off. |
Here here!
(I just play SP anyway. I like to play games over several days and when I want to. Multiplayer civ sort of fits insomniacs or school kids, but not me)
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Colonel Kraken
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Grand Rapids, MI
Nov 2000
time: 00:15
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Originally posted by Jingo
for all you people who say "im not buying civ3 without mp", i know your lying.
you know your obsessed. if you're on apolyton debating this fact, you have to love civ.
you dont just hear about a game and spend 3 months or more talking about it and researching it only to not buy it.
firaxis got you good, now bend over and pay. |
Wow, UberKrux, you're as bad as Provost H. . . . candid and make no bones about it. 
The funny thing is, you're probably right. I started a thread quite a while ago "You'll Buy It, And You Know It" because I was sick of all the whining about the game, when I knew those who were whining about it were going to be the first ones to buy the game. But I have to say, that was all before the MP issue. You're probably still right, though.
As for me and my house, however, I'm waiting for Hotseat.
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Takeshi
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Canada
Jun 1999
time: 00:15
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For those of you trying to make sense of this thread:
-It started as an attack on Firaxis' misleading advertising of Multiplayer.
-Due to a combination of sensationalism, misdirection and misinterpretation, many have thought this was an attack on the actual game itself instead of the advertising of the game.
-Once the first shot was fired... well, the mud just flies.
And to those who claim that the game can't be resisted, I have never bought Civ, but picked up Civnet. I never bought CivII, but picked up the gold edition. I intend to repeat the same course of action for CivIII. So yes, it can be done.
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tniem
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Hope College
Apr 2000
time: 00:15
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Originally posted by Steve Clark
Ozy: In my case, at least, it's not about blind loyalty. I couldn't less about that. Simply put, I love Civ2 so maybe I'll love Civ3 as well. Unlike yin, whose past efforts made him believe that Firaxis owes him a revolutionary game, I really don't care if I get Civ3 or not. Sure I would love to play it but if not, there are games to play and things to do. |
Well Steve, I guess than you wouldn't agree that Firaxis has one of the best deals around. They are simply updating a game that has been around for ten years. Few new game concepts. And of course some art changes. Hopefully the AI is better, but essentially the exact same game that I have been playing for a decade. I will buy this game but not until the price goes down.
Yin put a lot into this game and I can't understand how you cannot at least acknowledge that he has a right to be pissed off by it all. He expected a company to treat us all with some respect. By making some upgrades to the genre and to actually tell us some degree of truths. They did neither. I for one am pissed off about it. This thread did not convince me to keep my money but a long thoughtful process of realizing that Civ 3 was doomed by the bottom lines of Infogrames. Hopefully by saving myself a few dollars I get Infogrames to at least reconsider on MOO3. Hopefully that game will save the TBS genre, because Civ 3 is just a rehash of what has already been released.
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Shiva
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Omaha,Nebraska USA
Jan 1970
time: 23:15
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Originally posted by tniem
Well Steve, I guess than you wouldn't agree that Firaxis has one of the best deals around. They are simply updating a game that has been around for ten years. Few new game concepts. And of course some art changes. Hopefully the AI is better, but essentially the exact same game that I have been playing for a decade.
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You can say that about simcity, Railroad tycoon, Quake, Airwarrior,warcraft, and so on and so on. Its the way of the market. Why did Civ 2 do so well? Because it was evolutionary not revolutionary. There isnt a need to start from scratch or adding so much that you lose the foundation of the game. If someone here feels slighted or their feelings got hurt thats life.
They have to make choices that are driven by money. Im sure they would have loved to add a bunch of other stuff too but because of time and cash they couldnt. Thats the way it goes it happens all the time with games. Just because a fan puts in a bunch of suggestions the company owes him? Maybe having your name in the manual or something but it doesnt mean they will do something to effect the bottom line. They have a job to do, they are the ones who decide what is done, and they are the ones who are on the firing line when the game sinks or swims. Not some fans with brused egos and no idea whats going on behind the doors. Right to be pissed off indeed 
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