30-10-2001 22:42									#1
	Illegal is illegal, and not legal! Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Civ III is out and so is all the illegal stuff related
to the game. So I think it's good to remind
three things.

1. Buying or dowloading an illegal copy of
Civ III is strictly forbidden by law.

2. Making copies of an authentic copy
of the game is also forbidden, unless
your local laws allow that. In Finland you're
allowed to make "a few copies" (2-3) for
your own personal use and your closest relatives
(like mum, dad, siblings,...).

3. Spreading the handbook as a PDF document
is also forbidden, unless you have the permission
of the copyright holder (in this case Infogrames).

And my final remark:

Do not support piracy, buy a legal version!

	30-10-2001 22:55									#2
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As Markos deleted a thread, in which (as I later got to know) the readme was posted makes me think it also is illegal to post the readme.

Which seem quite clear as it is protected by copyright laws as well.

	30-10-2001 23:16									#3
	Got spare money?

Let me clarify that I do not support piracy either, and will buy the game, though I will also download it, just while waiting for the real game, and will destroy the warez CD I'm going to burn after the real game comes here.

	30-10-2001 23:22									#4
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

Ras: Well said.

Solver: That is engaging in a criminal act, which is not cool at all. And I had thought that, after your immature ramblings about monitor resolutions, you had become more intelligent around here. Guess not.

	30-10-2001 23:34									#5
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Well they should have released it everywhere at the same time and this wouldn't happen!! :verypissedoff*

So .. I'm downloading it right now. I WILL buy the game when it's here.

	30-10-2001 23:38									#6
	Tired of ads?

Steve - He plans to buy the game. This way he is actually benifiting both the poor dedicated people who spend their time making illegal copies, using CDs made ( helping CD-manufacturers ) as well as buying the actual game and therefore giving Firaxis profits. Just cause not everyone who buys from the pirate has the same high moral code as him, or games manufacturers don't ship to his country fast enough isn't his problem.

Solver - mate. If more people like you there would be more cash flow in the world.

Ras - **** off. No, no SERIOUSLY. Shut the hell up, we're adults and can do whatever we want. Unless you can think of a way to stop it.

	30-10-2001 23:42									#7
	Re: Illegal is illegal, and not legal! Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin 2. Making copies of an authentic copy of the game is also forbidden, unless your local laws allow that. In Finland you're allowed to make "a few copies" (2-3) for your own personal use and your closest relatives (like mum, dad, siblings,...).

So it's K cause you live in an amoral country, whereas you are going to deny us the rights you enjoy cause we don't like in the same country. I bet you'd just copy them anyway if you live over here so I hope you break your back falling off that horse you're on.

quote: 3. Spreading the handbook as a PDF document is also forbidden, unless you have the permission of the copyright holder (in this case Infogrames). And my final remark: Do not support piracy, buy a legal version!

Yes yes yes yes. We're all rich guys from Finland who happen to have a law exonerating the acts everyone else is now supposed to feel guilty for.

	30-10-2001 23:44									#8
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Well said. to the creator of the thread.

	30-10-2001 23:55									#9
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

People could just be patient and wait for their chance to play, instead of acting like spoiled brats.

Having to have something because of peer pressure is just so......high school

P A T I E N C E

	31-10-2001 00:28									#10
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin Do not support piracy, buy a legal version!

I only got one thing to say to you: TAKE IT EASY...believe it or not, but game industri should actually appriciate piracy exists. If it wasn't because of piracy I (and I believe many others) wouldn't know the game Civilization (or other games for that matter) and thereby I (we) wouldn't have bought the game in the first place.

Don't take me wrong, I support that everybody should go buy the games (or apps for that matter) if they like them. There's no doubt that I will download the game ASAP, but there's also no doubt that I will buy the game ASAP (which in my case now is when I can afford it)

And btw, I believe it is total useless to shout about it here. The majority inhere (I believe) will defently buy the game if they can.

quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin 3. Spreading the handbook as a PDF document is also forbidden, unless you have the permission of the copyright holder (in this case Infogrames).

I know it's forbidden, but what can happen by doing it, FIRAXIS, infogrames, whoever, won't loose any money just because somebody is copying the handbook. Think about, the handbook can only be used if you have the game, of cause you can read the handbook and maybe learn some tactics about the game, but you won't be able to use what is written in the book if you don't have the game. AND included in the game is the handbook anyway...so who looses anything by copying the book??? Nobody!!! And if nobody looses anything by that, then I can't see why we are not allowed to take a look at the handbook many days earlier than we have the chance to buy the game...It just doesn't sound logic

	31-10-2001 00:44									#11
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

You must really be an idiot if you start threads like this !
What's your mission ? Do you get paid for spreading things like this !

What's next ?
A thread that tells us we shall not murder ?
YOU shallt not steal

I TELL YOU, CHEATING IS REALLY STUPID

or what about:

Be nice to your neighbours.

where's the puke smiley ?
And why can't I make a copy of the game for personal use ?
I once bought a game, and the CD got lost. I wish I had made a copy.
I will for sure copy the game !
I've copied the MPG edition as well, why ? So I can play it with my brother over LAN. Or do you expect me to buy 2 games ?

I will try to download civ3 for sure !
And I will buy the game. I did it with ToT and CtP2.
I bought Civ, civ2 civ2mpg, civ2ToT, SMAC, CtP and CtP2.
Of course I'll buy civ3. And why are people starting threads that it's immoral to download a game 16 days before you buy it?

WHY WHY WHY ?????

And why are people preventing the manual to be spread ?
That's so silly. Of course I understand officials from Firaxis and Infogames will try to prevent it to be spread this way. And I can understand that Apolyton will try to prevent it to keep their relation with Firaxis clean. But right now even just simple people from Finland are telling the rest of the world what to do ?

I'll tell you, I will buy Civ3 for $50
Later there will be Civ3 MPG and I'll spend another $50 on it.
And when Civ3 ToT will be released I'll have to spend another $50.

what are you cyring for ?
That I download the game in advance and try to read the manual while waiting ?

idiot.
Go and tell your 2 year old brother that he shouldn't stay up late when pappa and mamma aren't home.

CS

	31-10-2001 00:49									#12
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Ditto Solver!

I intend to download this game. I have seen the actions of Infogrames of withholding the game to certain areas of the world (different release dates, barring from buying from amazon US), so I will be damned if I will respect Infogrames when they are going to pull a stunt like this. I don't think Infogrames deserve a penny of my money for this action, although I am willing to give Firaxis the money. I will buy the game when available if just to support Firaxis and get the manual. Personally I would rather send Firaxis a cheque for the amount and keep the pirated version, simple as that!

	31-10-2001 01:17									#13
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Personally I would rather send Firaxis a cheque for the amount and keep the pirated version, simple as that!

You're not the only one who would rather do that

	31-10-2001 01:47									#14
	Inflate your Upload Space

Can somebody please upload the manual to somewhere reliable.... Eli, Solver... you guys said you have it

	31-10-2001 01:52									#15
	Full PM-box? Change here!

Check PMs.

And PH, ADG and other are right.
I will download the game in the moment I can, but I will also buy it ASAP.

	31-10-2001 01:56									#16
	Re: Illegal is illegal, and not legal! Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin Do not support piracy, buy a legal version!

Given the chance, I would. I pre-ordered the LE at Amazon over a month ago, and now it seems I am a second class citizen, after the Americans. That is according to Infogrames. If Infogrames forbids Amazon to ship the LE to me because I'm not American, then I have only one thing to say:

Infogrames, have it your way...

	31-10-2001 02:43									#17
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

When you Buy a game, do you actually own the software?? The answer is NO. You have actually bought a lisence to use someone elses software. So if you have pre-ordered the game, then you have already paid for the lisence to play the game. So downloading and playing Civ 3 is not illegal, as long as you do complete your preorder, when infogames gets sick of f***ing us around, and finally decide to release the game to us second-class citizens.



Provost, your idea is sounding better and better.

	31-10-2001 02:54									#18
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by Infatuation Well said. to the creator of the thread.

Nimmy I wonder about you at times......... I fear you've changed.......

	31-10-2001 02:57									#19
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Ditto Solver! I intend to download this game. I have seen the actions of Infogrames of withholding the game to certain areas of the world (different release dates, barring from buying from amazon US), so I will be damned if I will respect Infogrames when they are going to pull a stunt like this. I don't think Infogrames deserve a penny of my money for this action, although I am willing to give Firaxis the money. I will buy the game when available if just to support Firaxis and get the manual. Personally I would rather send Firaxis a cheque for the amount and keep the pirated version, simple as that!

You're an inspiration to us all. And you're avatar is a penguin too.........

	31-10-2001 03:34									#20
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

If you put a billion monkeys in front of a billion computers for a billion years, eventually one of them will type the code for Civ 3, would that be piracy?

	31-10-2001 03:40									#21
	Put an end to popups!

By not buying the game, you directly cause a loss of revenue to Firaxis, and thereby make them lose money / gain less money on Civ3, thereby not allowing them to have as many people on staff.

As a software developer, it is readily apparent that software pirates are thieves.

There was a time when I did not think this way, but you have to realize....things are made for a cost. Firaxis did not just say "poof" and make Civ2. There was a lot of time and money involved, and it was made for the intention that people would not steal it.

That being said, do you think a farmer grows vegetables without intent to sell? Would you be suprised if you were shot at for stealing from his fields?

	31-10-2001 03:56									#22
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Yes, yes i am also excited about the iminant (sorry 3 week late ) release of Civ 3, but Privacy has not even crosed my mind.I don't care waiting 3 weeks if i expect to yet 3 years of playability out of it. (3 years is an exaggeration. i say at leats 1 years worth would make me believe i got my monies worth)

PS This release mess up (US early and LEonly in US) reminds me of Black and White, where Lionhead (developers) wanted a world-wide release, and EA released it 1 week early in Us just to keep them happy.

	31-10-2001 04:01									#23
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

I will make copies for myself to back mine up, i will make copies for my other computers and i will do it because i want to. I have bought 3 other firaxis games and i think i have put enough money into there pockets.

	31-10-2001 04:10									#24
	illegal ..... who gives a **** Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Im am going to download the game simply because it is illegal
if it was not illegal then i would buy it.

	31-10-2001 05:28									#25
	Re: illegal ..... who gives a **** Got spare money?

quote: Originally posted by GMOsco Im am going to download the game simply because it is illegal if it was not illegal then i would buy it.

Hehehe.

Well I plan to see about downloading the game. I have no respect for Infrogrames or Firaxis or whoever is in charge of this BS. I'm a theving amoral criminal so screw off. I don't feel like paying good money for this game. Maybe at some point i will. Maybe when they release MP i will. Maybe if they have some good scenarios in an expansion pack i will. But i've heard some bad things about this game and i'm not going to shell out 40 bucks for a game. I need my money for other things.

Y'all can go tattle on me if you want.

	31-10-2001 05:28									#26
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quote: Originally posted by SoulAssassin If you put a billion monkeys in front of a billion computers for a billion years, eventually one of them will type the code for Civ 3, would that be piracy?

"Logical" solution; as piracy must be vehamently opposed without carefully considering the reasons for each instance WE MUST KILL ALL THE MONKEYS FOR THE INTEGRITY OF THOSE ALREADY MAKING MONEY....

	31-10-2001 05:37									#27
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

well i wouldnt even know where to look for illegal DL so i will just wait for MP

	31-10-2001 05:41									#28
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by Solver Let me clarify that I do not support piracy either, and will buy the game, though I will also download it, just while waiting for the real game, and will destroy the warez CD I'm going to burn after the real game comes here.

Sorry, you either support warez by using it or you don't. You can't say you don't support it then turn around and say you'll destroy your burned WAREZ copy when the other arrives.

Supporting warez is like being pregnant, either you are or you aren't, there is no "sort-of".

	31-10-2001 05:43									#29
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by Wexu Well they should have released it everywhere at the same time and this wouldn't happen!! :verypissedoff* So .. I'm downloading it right now. I WILL buy the game when it's here.

Gee, maybe because of people DLing the game is why they AREN'T releasing it everywhere?!? Ever think of that?

Obviously not.

	31-10-2001 05:55									#30
	Remove this text

either release a demo or shut up about the warez