03-03-2002 01:05									#421
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I didn't catch that before. Thanks and very good points. I am glad it is 25% each, that makes much more sense. Thanks again, Korn.

	03-03-2002 02:54									#422
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It seems the second tier of specialists (Accountant, Scientist, and Comedian) all came along the path to Democracy. I have changed this to alow for more variety. Especially since the Comedian is so powerful.

Accountant requires Econoics
Scientist requires physics
Comedian changed to Musician and requires Free Artistry

Investor added and gives +3 Taxes; requires Rocketry
Researcher still gives +3 Science; still requires Computers
Comedian added and gives +3 Happiness; requires Smart Weapons

I will post the new file soon.

Last edited by Elucidus on 03-03-2002 at 03:10

	04-03-2002 18:18									#423
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Haven't been able to connect over the weekend. I found a work around to adding techs causing the science advisor to freak out. For details go here.

I hope to add quite a few techs, now. Although, I wonder if now that I did this, how long will Firaxis take to get out the new editor. Probably tomorrow.

	04-03-2002 21:14									#424
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I am just wondering if work is still being done on this mod? I mean is it still being play balanced and all of that? THanks a lot! I already like this mod a lot!

	04-03-2002 23:39									#425
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Rhuarc, eluc has been kind enough to take over the making of the MOD, since we have not heard from monk in a while now, eluc helped with the previous versions.

and hes doing a great job.

	04-03-2002 23:50									#426
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Thanks Synth. Rhuarc, I am still working on balancing, but mostly, at this point I focused on enhancements. Also I am always open to suggestions, balncing or otherwise. If you have any, please share.

I cannot put as much time as I would like to the project, but hopefully I'll be able to keep it moving.

The way I am working this mod is if you see the number increase (from 2.0 to 2.01) it means it has been enhanced. If you see a letter increase (A to B) there was something changed (balanced) or fixed.

So when I went from 2.0A to 2.01B, it meant both enhancements and changes were done. I do this so that you can tell what has been done. If there is a major update it may jump a few numbers and the letter will reset. Hope this helps. And I hope I can get to apolyton while I am at home, for some reason I keep[ having problems, you could always check the web site or CivFanatics for an update. The website will always get the update first though. Talk at you later.

	05-03-2002 00:43									#427
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If you need someone to help you out with something just let me know. I'd be glad to help you out with the website, posting updates to the site or anything like that. I have done web programming in the past and would love to get back into it. Just let me know if you want some help!

	05-03-2002 02:40									#428
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Careful what you volunteer for, I just may take you up on that.

As you can tell, by my horrible web-site, I cannot do HTML. If you are serious send me an email and we can figure out what exactly goes on.

	05-03-2002 04:44									#429
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With the ability to add techs I would like to look into having a unique unit for each civ for each Era. They would have to be in the same flavor as the original one. For instance, the jaguar warior is fast, if nothing else. They could have a faster version of a middle ages unit. This would keep within the same basic principal, but allow the races to be more competative. What do you guys think? And who should get what, and what should the modifications be? Any ideas?

	05-03-2002 08:34									#430
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Something I had been looking at is changing the terrain model and bonus resources model. I thought x5 would be a good starter and adjust from there. I started out by taking all of the terrain values for food and shields (not gold) and multiplying by 5. That was going to be my base. There are a couple of problems with this model:

- The base city tile is not changed it still gives the default amount

- The bonus grassland shield still gives only one shield

- and the big kicker, the despotism penalty isn't much of a penalty anymore, now cities grow way way too quickly at the beginning. It stabilizes later, but right off the bat it is a major balancing issue. I'll look into it and let you know.

	06-03-2002 18:56									#431
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I have to apologize. I got home and found out that the construction going on next door cut my phone-line. No phone line no DSL or dial-up. It is supposed to be fixed no later than 6pm CST. I will post some updates then.

	08-03-2002 06:47									#432
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Hi guys, I have been catching up on the thread.
I remember seeing a blurb about the 1.17 patch where they said that gov-specific buildings should now stop working when you change gov's.

	08-03-2002 07:09									#433
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I must have missed that. Ahh well. I've been working on 3.0 right now. I've been trying to incorporate your tech tree from the med mod 2, like we talked about when this whole thing started. I hope it is still okay that I use it.

So far I have condensed 2 Med Mod Eras into 1 Civ3 Era. I have not compromised the chain of techs, although I don't remember exactly how it played out in CTP2. I have completed the first two Civ3 Eras with only changing one item's prerequisite. The biggest thing is the inability to include a lot of stuff, like slavery. For now it is still on the tech tree. I have also included all of the unit and building icons that will exist on the tech tree.

There are a couple of issues. One, governments don't have an icon, that is why the default setup gives them as their own tech. I was thinking of puting the gov't name next to the tech name on the tree, as a solution, but it may be too long. Also I need to figure out which techs need to be prerequisite to the next age. Right now they all are.

Here is a link to the site. In the news there is mention of the tech tree I am talking about. Click the link and check it out. Let me know if you have any suggestions.


EDIT: I need to change the tech icons also.

Last edited by Elucidus on 08-03-2002 at 07:16

	08-03-2002 20:59									#434
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well, I think I have a corrupted civ3 exe or something, I got about 3/4 of the way thru, and then it crashed, and everything was going so well too, so I started a new game, again, about 3/4 of the way thru, crash........

Im not doing anything at the time this happens, its not even on my turn.
anyhow, I uninstalled it, and am going to wait for a few days, let the reg clear really good, then give it another try.

(I already removed the reg files I know of associated with civ3)

	08-03-2002 22:57									#435
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Synth,

Do you still have a copy of the save file? It may be related to the mod, I'd like to clear any problems up.

Wesw,
From what I've heard the buildings dissappear but their effects are still around. Then again, I haven't tested this myself.

	08-03-2002 23:38									#436
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I replied to Rhuarc's email yesterday, but opera mail is not accepting it or something. I wrote it before catching up on the thread here and seeing what you have been doing lately.

Anyway, if you want to combine talents, that would be fine with me. I have just finished fixing what I hope is the last bug with my mod, which is far less ambitious than what you are doing. I have attached the bic, excel spreadsheet and misc. readme, which explains what is in the mod along with the spreadsheet.
I was not able to incorporate many of my best ideas due to the limitations of the editor, but I still think the mod does a lot for the game. After reading the thread here, I am sure there are things that could be refined in it.
I have added some new units to the game, re-using the original files except for the Crossbowman, which needs to be edited to correct some mistakes in it.
I need some pointers on how to add new units without having to copy all of the files from the old unit into the new folder. I read a thread about how to do this last night, but I could not follow all of the instructions.
I also don't know what user-created units are available, or how well done they are. I feel pretty good about my current unit progression at least until the Industrial age.
Civ 3 doesn't need nearly as many units as Ctp2 since you don't have as many unit types. Civ 3 is also not as long as Ctp2 (which I think is a good thing), so you don't need as many unit progressions.
I spent a lot of time on the buildings and wonders, and I also really like where the govt's are located on the tech tree now(see below).
Here is the Civiloopedia entry I wrote for Internment Camps, to address an issue brought up earlier in the thread:

^Decreases unhappy people in every city in the civ by 2.
^{Requires:} Civilization must have a Fascist government.
#DESC_BLDG_Internment_Camps
^
^
^Many nations constructed internment camps as a place to round up unwanted citizens. The U.S. placed all of its citizens of Japanese decent in the 48 states of the time into such camps following the attack on Pearl Harbor. The Nazis were the most infamous, though, ultimately deciding to exterminate all of the undesirables in its camps as a "Final Solution."

I have pasted the misc readme below, hope you don't mind, so that people can more easily comment on it. It basically lists the things that don't fit onto the spreadsheet or that you might miss on the tech tree.

-Citizen value in shields raised to 25.
-Fortify gives +50% defense.
-Raised the defense from bombardment of citizens and buildings from 8 to 12. (It was 4 before the patch. This is why bombarding devastated cities while leaving units relatively safe.)
-Walls now have a bombardment defense of 16.
-Cities grow to size 8 before needing an Aqueduct. Hopefully this will make Walls and Granaries worth building.
-Engineering enables irrigation without water.
-Hills can be irrigated.
-Mass Transit system now available with Combustion to allow you to combat population pollution earlier.
-Espionage missions except Sabotage reduced. Investigate city by 70%, all others by 50%.
-Clear Jungles takes 6 turns, clear Forest 10 turns, 15 shields harvested, build Fortress takes 8 turns instead of 16 on base terrain.
-All advances cost more.
-Writing requires Bronze Working, and Gunpowder requires Banking, for unit progression reasons.
-Espionage has taken The Republic's place in the advances chart. The Republic has been moved to Democracy's position, and Democracy to Espionage's. This allows you to conduct some diplomatic missions earlier, and places all three advances closer to their actual historical spot.
I moved Fascism to Radio, and the new City State and Theocracy gov's are available with Feudalism and Theology, respectively.
-MPP and Trade Embargo enabled by Espionage.
-Cost of the Palace reduced to 30, make that 300, shields. Firaxis is worried about cheating. Well, if you want to palace bounce, that is a tactic. I do not do it personally, because I think it is not the best way to go. And if you are going to cheat, why play the game at all?
-Cost of Armies and Forbidden Palace reduced to 300 and 200, respectively.
-Merchants require Currency and Scientists require Philosophy, and give 3 of their respective specialty.
-Numerous errors with civilization build often/never settings corrected.

-Please see the civstats spreadsheet for all the changes to buildings, wonders, terrain, resources, governments, units, and more.

-Temporarily omitted: note that Marble is a bonus resource, and thus not tradable, though it is necessary for several buildings and wonders. I did this purposely to scramble the game some. Now you may have a decision to make if you do not have any marble in your territory.
-Temporarily omitted: Copper is necessary for most modern units, and usually accompanies Oil. It is also necessary for the Colossus and Statue of Liberty. The icon is that of a copper ale stein.
-Temporarily omitted: I saw a TV program which mentioned that it took a 40-acre forest to construct a ship like the HMS Victory, so this was one of the reasons for the new Oak strategic resource. It is necessary for offensive wooden warships. Transport types do not require it so that a civ will not be land-bound if they do not happen to have it.
-Since only two new resource icons can be presently added to the game, I have had some resources share icons. Aluminum and uranium share an icon, since they are the last two resources to appear in the game, and have been plentiful in my games. They retain their old values, availabilities and uses. Also, Apples, Fruits and Dates share an icon. Each adds two food to the terrain value.

The following are from the Balancer mod, which was the foundation from which I built the Medieval mod III.
-availablity of resources tweaked:
Iron available with bronze working
saltpeter available with invention
coal available with metallurgy
Oil available with industrialization
rubber available with electricty
aluminum with mass production
Uranium with atomic theory
-Fascism now enabled by Radio.
-Medpack: Horses- no preq. (It's not like they are minerals hidden underground.)
This should help relieve the "can't trade for a resource because the guy doesn't have the
necessary tech" situation.
-added to the list of great leaders for each civilization, each civ has at least 6 now
-Recycling Center now adds 2 culture and Mass-Transit 1 culture
-power plants tweaked
Coal: 50%, Hydro: 100%, Solar: 100%, Nuclear, 150%
Rather than coal, hydro and solar all having the same production value
-factories, manufacturing plants, offshore platforms, all add -1 culture per
turn. Coal and Nuclear Plants add -2 culture per turn.
-upgraded tax collectors and scientists to collecting three each of their respective commodity
-cheaper nuclear weapons
-Added new Government "Fascism," which is the best military government in this game
-Changed Wealth shields-to-gold ratio down to 4:1 from the default 8:1.

Attachment: medpack iii.zip
This has been downloaded 6 time(s).

	09-03-2002 00:37									#437
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EDIT: I must have misunderstood you, because you already did this in your mod.

-------------------------

Here is acopy of part of the colonist.ini from the newest Balancer Version. These are the lines that were changed. All you need to do is add a path. I believe either forward slash (/) or backslash (\) work fine.

quote: [Animations] DEFAULT=../settler/settDefault.flc RUN=../settler/settRun.flc DEATH=../settler/settDeath.flc FIDGET=../settler/settFidget.flc BUILD=../settler/settBuild.flc CAPTURE=../settler/SettlerCaptured.flc [Sound Effects] RUN=../settler/SettlerRun.amb FIDGET=../settler/SettlerFidget.wav BUILD=../settler/SettlerBuild.wav

	09-03-2002 00:44									#438
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Also, I've been thinking about post-poning the work on 3.0 and waiting until they make it the tech tree editing more user friendly and maybe allow you to add Eras and change the End Game Year.

Would you mind if I incorporated many of the newer changes to the balancer (the new citizens, etc...) into your Bic?

Also there are a few Unit creators out there that seem to be doing a decent job, better than I can anyway. Like SpencerH, for example.

	09-03-2002 01:02									#439
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Wes,

Are you going to add in new wonder spalshes? Do you want me to? I have most of them already.

Edit: Noticed your Bic had bad links to most of the civilopedia entries. They were missing BLDG_. I fixed it.

Last edited by Elucidus on 09-03-2002 at 01:13

	09-03-2002 09:49									#440
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'lu, I just checked my bic, and found no buildings or wonders missing the BLDG_ part. Don't use the new files with the mod on my webpage. I have not had access to my webpage since they had to move the site to the new servers, so I cannot delete the bad mod posted there. The attachment above is just so people can see basically what I have been up to.
If you let me know where, I will send you the full version of the mod to post on the balancer webpage.

As far as combining mods, that would be fine. I didn't know which one you would want to use as the basis. I do know that I would welcome any and all help with graphics, civilopedia (we need initials for this file, btw- any suggestions anyone?), etc., as I don't feel like doing them myself right now.

I have not extensively play-tested the mod. I have mostly been trying to get the bugs out of it, so I have not played into the Industial age in a loooong time. If anyone has any comments on my work, good or bad, please let me know here. I will do my best to give the latest posted version of the Balancer mod a good review some time this weekend.
What I have always tried to do is get as many people as possible commenting on the mod and giving their ideas on how to improve it. I have always been very impressed with the intelligence and knowledge of the people here, and the more people you can get involved, the better the resulting mod will be.

I read a post about how to add new advances with all the arrows and stuff, and it was ridiculus. This game was obviously not meant to be modded to any serious degree. I read a portion of the chat where Soren said that he did not believe in giving users access to a scripting language because it just gives them an opportunity to create bugs. I know that Ctp's slic is buggy as hell, yet the talented guys over there have done amazing things with it, and are doing more all the time.
Ctp's tech chart is set up differently, and is easier to add things to. Anyway, I don't expect them to do anything to make adding techs easier; I just don't see how they could without some major overhaul of the way the tech chart is displayed.

	09-03-2002 10:31									#441
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As far as adding techs, I had found an easier way. All they would have to do is have the program recognize a different naming scheme and dynamically create the buttons on the science advisor screen. Creating the background image with the arrows isn't hard or tedius at all.

The BIC I downloaded was from this page. Or so I thought. It has all sorts of errors I've been fixing. Here I was thinking I was helping out and I had the wrong version. lol

If the full version isn't much more than a few of meg send it here.


EDIT: I'll let you know as soon as it is up

	10-03-2002 22:21									#442
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Elucidus

here is a couple of questions from a fellow modmaker, and hopefully you can help me out

I edited the civilopedia.txt, the pediaicons.txt, and got a new units_32.pcx file with the correct number of unit spaces, though those spaces are blank

However, my new buildings do not show up in the build queue, and one of my units, the outrigger which uses the galley icon, shows up as a stealth bomber in the build queue

can you give me any help or any advice on how to fix this?

thanks in advance for your help!

	11-03-2002 01:51									#443
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Eww, a stealth bombing outrigger.

Well, as far as the units, Wesw has been the one to add/change those. So we'll have to wait for his response on that one.

On the buldings side have you edited the Art/City Screen/buildings-large.pcx and buildings-small.pcx?

I believe that is where it gets the icons from. Specifically the buildings-small.pcx for the build queue. I hope I have been of some assistance. Let me know if there is anything else I can do for you and keep up the great work.

	11-03-2002 01:57									#444
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Elucidus

thanks for responding, i was hoping you'd know since you are very knowledgeable about most other parts of modding

but i have not changed the buildings-large.pcx and buildings-small.pcx but it seemed like the copy tool did, or am i mistaken?

anyways thanks for the encouragement, i took a look at your new tech chart and it looked really good, so you guys keep up the good work as well

	11-03-2002 02:49									#445
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Well, if the copytool did, all I can say is WOW, that is one heck of a tool. Does the file have a bunch of blank tiles at the end? If so that is your problem, if not than you may not have the required tiles for the buildings you added. Let me know and I'll try to help out.

And thanks for the encouragement, but we are going a less dramatic route since then.

	11-03-2002 02:56									#446
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Wes,

I updated the science advisor screen with the updated tech tree you gave me. Can you check it out and make sure I didn't miss anything? I used the excel file you included as a guide. I've been looking at those tech tree lines so much lately I can't tell which way is up.

If anyone one else wants to check it out, have at it.

Last edited by Elucidus on 21-04-2002 at 05:53

	11-03-2002 05:07									#447
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Luc, you will need to email me the file. I keep getting invalid archive errors whenever I try to open the attachment.

Korn, the units, blds, etc. show up in the build queue in the order that they appear in the bic file. The pics are shown in the order in which they appear in their file, so you need to order the pics to match the bic. There is one exception- the last eight pics from the units.pcx always need to be last (the units after the Privateer, which have era-specific icons), and the new units you add should be placed before them.

Last edited by WesW on 11-03-2002 at 07:20

	11-03-2002 06:37									#448
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Look in my signature and you will find a link to a thread that has a fix for invalid archives. The fix is hosted on my website so you don't have to worry about the fix being corrupted

	11-03-2002 07:13									#449
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Mizac, I need more detailed instructions on how to use the dos file. It has been too long.

Btw, are people still having trouble with the settler or worker graphics disappearing from the build queue when you enter the modern era?
Also, are there any problems with the Colonist in the modern era?

	11-03-2002 07:43									#450
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Should be able to type pkzipfix in a dos prompt and it should give you instructions. BTW, I sent the file to you.