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Elucidus is offline Elucidus
Prince
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Mar 2000
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Version 2.1 Almost Ready Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Version 3.0 has been put on hold until there are some better resorces available, a better editor primarily.

Version 2.1 is coming along nicely, thanks primarily to the work of WesW. He has been a great help with the new units and such. There has been a multitude of changes this go around. Including many new buildings, units, and wonders, as well as some changes to many. There are new resources also thanks to WesW.

2.1 isn't quite ready for general release, but if anyone is interested in testing it out please send me an email here. I am still working out the finishing touches (pics, icons, and other such things), as well as a few balancing issues. With the new resources added in, I am trying to have each piece of terrain retain it's own distinct flavor.

I will post the new readme when it is complete. Hope you guys enjoy it.


Check out the new Balancer homepage.

Rhuarc is offline Rhuarc
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Hi guys, I'm kind of back. I now have access to the internet but I won't be able to update the page until I get back to school next week. If we are thinking of combining mods how would be the best way to go about doing that? Since the balancer mod changes a lot more should we incorporate into that the changes that Wes made in medmod3? Then anything that both changed would have to be looked at and decided on. What about a name? I was thinking of something like MedMod3 Balancer (I know i know, really original! ) Anyway, I think this would be incredible if we were to combne the mods. This coud become sort of a standard for people to play with, and especially for when multiplayer comes out!!

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Rhuarc,

While you have been away, I have been going over the MedMod3 and making a few changes based on the last Balancer (2.01). Some of the changes were based on changes made in the Med Mod 3. We haven't decided on a name or anything. I was just calling it Balancer 2.1. Well, back to work.

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Hey Wes, what would your feelings be on combining the mods into one and working together on it to create one balanced mod? I think we could get alot more people using it if we were all in it together. Would you be willing to combine the mods, come up with a name and then work together on balancing and things?

BTW, I'l be back at school next monday so I can start updating the page then.

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Rhuarc, email me. We need to discuss what's been going on. Wes and I have been working hand-in-hand on this.


BTW, I've updated the page a couple of times since you have been gone. Just news and stuff nothing design-wise.

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Well I have made a few new building pics. I have a few more to go, and quite a few new wonder ones as well.

Attachment: new building pics.jpg
This has been downloaded 419 time(s).

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Got some new Wonder Splashes as well.

Here is the Taj Mahal. If anyone can find a better picture let me know.

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Here is the one for Walt Disney World.

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2.1 Available Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

The Balancer 2.1 is available and has added quite a few things. Download Here or Here. There is a download that has some enhanced wonder splashes. These enhanced Wonder Spalshes are just pics of the existing wonders and are not needed for the balancer mod.



Here is the readme.txt




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The Balancer

2.1 beta (000)

13-Mar-2002

Creators:
Elucidus
WesW


Web Admin:
Rhuarc
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Questions? Comments? contact me at elucidus_healfire@yahoo.com

(Note: This is a beta because not all graphics for the new items have been included. Some units reuse older graphics. Mostly the missing graphics are Wonder Splashes and building queue icons, maybe a few civilipedia icons. If you see a generic pic with "To Be Added" or just a generic building icon then that is something we are working on. If it shows up as a blank picture, let us know as that is a glich. As I release the graphics patches they will be numbered (001, 002, etc...) I will also update the full install with them and anotate the latest files included in it. 2.1 beta (003) for example. If you have a better way for us to track this, please let me know.




NOTE: BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE, EXTRACT THESE FILES TO THE ROOT DIRECTORY OF YOUR CIVILIZATION III FOLDER

Also note: An in-game known issues list was included in the civilopedia for your convenience. I have not found any issues yet in testing version 2.1 but things can change, keep an eye out. If you are unsure of weather we are aware of a possible issue you are having, please check there first. In the civilopedia go to the "Concepts" area. In there you will see a tab named Balancer Mod. In that tab we will list any known issues with the mod. As of now there are no game-breaking issues.

First, I have to say that this mod was started by Monkspider. He created it, but since I haven't heard from him in a long while (read: months), and I was working on it with him regularly, I took it over. Also, we need to thank others who have had an impact as well. Special Thanks to Anunikoba, Korn469, Chegitz Guevara, Yaga, Pydodrew, Cian, d-audi, Wesw, SilentBob, Kromwel, java4me, Wite Rabbit, thomsonlau, Synthetik, Mizaq and Harlan for the help or inspiration that they have provided.
WesW has come on board since version 2.1 and he has contributed a lot to the mod, please welcome him and thank him for his great efforts. The biggest thanks I have to give are to other modders whose mods I have included in this version. If any of them wish me to remove there files or data from my mod simply let me know and I will. Thanks go out to you:

Sevorak's More City Names mod.


Thank you for that, it helps a lot.

I hope you enjoy it as much as we have enjoyed making it.
Have fun!



For version history, see History.txt

Latest changes:

- General Changes
-- Citizen value in shields raised to 25.
-- Fortify gives +50% defense.
-- Raised the defense from bombardment of citizens and buildings from 8 to 12.
-- Numerous errors with civilization build often/never settings corrected.
-- Cities grow to size 8 before needing an Aqueduct, and 15 before needing a Hospital.
-- Espionage missions except Sabotage reduced. Investigate city by 70%, all others by 50%.

- Governments, Added
-- Theocracy
-- City State

- Improvements
-- Added
--- Royal Academy (Monarchy)
--- Mill
--- Monastery (Theocracy)
--- Gestapo HQ (Fascism)
--- KGB Office (Communism)
--- Party HQ (Communism)
--- Fire Hall
--- Theatre
--- Brokerage (Democracy)
-- Changed
--- Marketplace no longer increases luxury trade (Bonus happiness) it instead gives +50% Luxury output
--- Bank increase luxury trade instead
--- Walls now have a bombardment defense of 16.
--- Cost of the Palace reduced to 30, make that 300, shields.
--- Cost of Armies reduced to 300.
--- Cost of Forbidden City reduced to 200.

- Units
-- Added
--- Ranger (New American UU, replaces Paratrooper, see Changed section below for what happened to the F-15)
--- Babylonian Bowman (New Babylonian UU, replaces Bowman, see Changed section below for what happened to the Bowman)
--- Longbowman (New English UU replaces Archer, see changed section for what happened to the Man-o-War)
--- Man-At-Arms (New Medieval age swordsman, to unit transition)
--- Crossbowman (New unit to help the transition to Rifleman)
--- Grenadier (New German UU, replaces Rifleman, see Changed section for what happened to the Panzer)
--- Horse Archer (New Knight replacement for those non-european Civs)
-- Changed
--- F-15 renamed to Strike Fighter and made available to all civs as an upgrade to the bomber (sort of a Fighter/Bomber)
--- Bowman made available to all civs as a pre-archer unit.
--- Man-o-War renamed to Ship-of-the-Line and made available to all civs as an upgrade to the frigate
--- Panzer renamed to Armor and made available to all civs as an upgrade to the Tank

- Technologies, Changed
-- All advances cost more.
-- Engineering enables irrigation without water.
-- Mass Transit system now available with Combustion to allow you to combat population pollution earlier.
-- Writing requires Bronze Working, and Gunpowder requires Banking, for unit progression reasons.
-- Espionage has taken The Republic's place in the advances chart. The Republic has been moved to Democracy's position, and Democracy to Espionage's. This allows you to conduct espionage missions earlier, and places all three advances closer to their actual historical spot.
-- MPP and Trade Embargo enabled by Espionage.

- Resources
-- Added
--- Cotton adds 2 Shields and 1 Commerce
--- Apples, Dates, and Fruits appear on different terrain, but share an icon for now, they all add 2 food
--- Marble adds 2 Shields and 1 Commerce
-- Changed
--- Uranium and Aluminum now share an icon, due to the limitation of new icons. They still retain their old properties
--- Horses no longer require a tech to see, after all they are animals roaming the contryside.
- Terrain, Changed
-- Grassland Irrigation gives 2 food now instead of 1 (This is to help differentiate the different terrains)
-- Flood Plains Irrigation gives 2 Food now instead of 1 (This is to help differentiate the different terrains)
-- Hills can now be irrigated
-- Clear Jungle now takes only 6 turns
-- Clear Forest now takes 10 turns and gives 15 shields for harvesting
-- Build Fortress takes 8 turns instead of 16 on base terrain

- Specialists
-- Changes
--- Scientist renamed to Alchemist
-- Additions
--- Musician gives +2 Luxuries and requires Free Artistry
--- Accountant gives +2 Taxes and requires Economics
--- Scientist Gives +2 Research and requires Physics
--- Investor gives +3 Taxes and requires Rocketry
--- Comedian gives +3 Happiness and requires Smart Weapons
--- Researcher gives +3 Research and requires Computers

- Wonders, Added
-- Master Race (Fascism)
-- Hollywood
-- Disney World
-- Taj Mahal
-- London Exchange (Monarchy) [Looking to Rename]
-- Carnegie Steel Trust
-- Einstein's Lab
-- Napoleonic Code (Republic)
-- The Prince (Monarchy) [Looking to rename]
-- Hammarabi's Code
-- Hippodrome
-- Stonehenge
-- Internment Camp (Fascism)
-- Gulag (Communism)

Last edited by Elucidus on 14-03-2002 at 07:38

Rhuarc is offline Rhuarc
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Everyone remember to check out the new Balancer mod Webpage for information on what is currently going on, place to download the mod from, changes to the mod, and other gereal information about it.

monkspider is offline monkspider
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I'm so proud of you guys, you all have made the mod a million times better than it was when I first started it. I appologize for not being able to help, but I recently have gotten married and have had little time for video game tinkering.
I am very pleased that some people have taken over in my footsteps to make this mod so great. i look forward to throwing in my two cents from time to time here!
Good luck, all of you!

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Hello monkspider!! You need to check out the new website for the mod. You can take a look at it here

Elucidus has been working alot on it and just recently WesW and myself have joined into the effort, although I am mostly working on web stuff and helping balance it.
Once again, Welcome back!! (Oh, and congrats on getting married!!!)

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Feb 2002
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well, I know you havent heard from me for a bit, and I was going to test the MOD out, heres the bad news, I have a virus and will be reformatting tomorrow or the next (work depending).
I am almost positive that this has been the cause of my problems, so I hope that any problems I stated I had you didnt change directly due to my word.
after foramatting, I will then reload what I need and then games and such.
then Ill run the mod, on a fully clean install of windows.

ps, glad to hear from you again monk, and congrates on the marriage !

Vesayen is offline Vesayen
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where can I d/l this? The link is dead......

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Well you can go directly to the download page (there are two). Each one has a link to the other so if it looks like nothing happened when you clicked a link, check the top and see if it didn't send you to the other location. Let me know if there are any problems.

Primary

Alternate


Our web page with news on the mod and all is located here if you are interested.

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Desert Dog is offline Desert Dog
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3rd Rock from the sun
Nov 2001
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Is there some way you can find a new host? Geocities will not let you use much bandwidth making it a poor place for downloading. I am dying to try your newest mod but have been unable to connect... Looking forward to checking out your latest dude..

DG

TheGraduate is offline TheGraduate
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CA, Taiwan, IL, Currently NY
Nov 2001
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OMG GUYS!!!!!! Enter the AD-FREE zone

Wow... guys... after about 2 months of silence.... WE ARE REBORN!!!!!! nice to see you all soo active on this balancer- my favourite mod... And MonkeySpider... Gratz on your marriage! Expect to hear about the shower in months to come?

anywayz... keep up the good work... and I will be working hard to give new suggestions on upcomings... while working harder on school....

lates!

-Calvin

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Great guys. And yes I am working on a new host. Give me a little time, please. You could try the Angelfire link on the download page, that should help.

Looking forward to the feedback.

EDIT: I am just waiting to here from the new host. Yes it is a paid site, so there should be no problems with bandwidth or anything.

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Hey dude I think you need to have MarkG update the file he has for you. It does not include the Civilopedia etc as you state. I see no angelfire link to try either? I am trying to check out all the mods to decide what one I really like.

DG

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Well since the original post was made by Monkspider I cannot edit it. Also the file is too large for the boards, it is about 4MB now.

If you follow either of the links I put in the above post they should both list two locations, The best one I have notived is the angelfire one. I fixed the one listed as primary (I screwed it up). Although if you followed the second one it has a link the the first one. I am still waiting to here from the new host. Let me know if you have any more problems.

Desert Dog is offline Desert Dog
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finally downloaded Put an end to popups!

I am curious about one thing. Why did you decide to make a wonderful accomplishment like a Cure for Cancer make anyone unhappy in any city? Makes no sense to me thought I would ask before making my conclusions.

I had to keep clicking on the link, I hope it is free hosting if your paying they are messing with your bandwidth or something.
I really want to see someone make an upgrade for the Privateer for modern times with same stats. Like a Corporate Raider vessel maybe using the Frigate for now till someone comes up with some good art? Peace..

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What that means is that it makes unhappy people content.

The one you are dealing with still is free. I haven't heard anything from the pay site and probably won't until monday. Did you get everything you needed? I could email it to you if you wanted.

We will definately look into a privateer upgrade. Let me know if you have any other suggestions, we are always happy to get feedback both good and bad.

Tori is offline Tori
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Jan 2002
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Nice mod and good work. But I've got one question.

Everytime I capture an AI worker in a city it changes into a colonist of my nationality.

So if I capture a city with pop 4 I suddenly get 3 colonists and can build a new city with pop 6 and still have the old city with pop 3.

Was this supposed to happen?

Where are all those people coming from?

Greetings, Tori

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Yeah, I just noticed this myself, today in fact. I believe it was something that Monkspider did in 1.5. I will be changing it back to a worker in 2.11 which should be released sometime this week. Let me know if you find anything else odd.

Here are some other things I have found. Some unit icons (not in the build queue) are wrong. Like at the bottom of my city screen, I have a couple of spearmen, and they show up as elephants. Mt catapult shows up as a B2 on the Being Built button.

I suspect that these are hardcoded for the base game (since this replaces that BIC). We reorganized the units to put the newer ones in with their counterparts, this may be causing the problem. We tell it to use the correct icons in the editor, it just doesn't always do that.

Thanks for the feedback.

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Hey I was just checking on your unhappy faces with the Cure For Cancer. I think you should check this out, because the editor was not intended to give unhappy people a smile. Checking unhappy faces will generate unhappy faces in one or all cities! You should consider fixing this little bug.
I would like to see your military units be a little more balanced. Are you going to include Korn's Blitz mod changes in your next update? He does an excellent job at balancing the military is why I ask. I like your mod overall though man good job.
Not that my personal opinion counts that much just wanted to compliment you on the changes you made since the author dropped working on mod.
Looking forward to the next update. Peace.

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Well, your opinion does count. I am not sure exactly what changes Korn has made, but we have additional units that he may or may not have. If you could make specific suggestions that would help.


Also I'll check that unhappy thing out tonight and let you know. There are wonders that change unhappy to content so that is why I thought that would grant that ability. Again, I'll let you know.

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Also, to elaborate a little bit on what Elucidus said, we will be working in the future on the issue of balancing the cambat issues that we have seen arise in the game. Let us know if you have any suggestions on how best to balance the combat values.

Elucidus: I'm back!!! I can start updating the page again very easily, if you just want to send me thigns to post up. Also, where are we at as far as hosting the files? Are we looking about upgrading yet, or what? Talk to you soon man!

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Double Post.

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Well, I purchased the upgrade, just waiting to get the info from the host.

Talk at you later tonight.

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Hey I was just checking on your unhappy faces with the Cure For Cancer. I think you should check this out, because the editor was not intended to give unhappy people a smile. Checking unhappy faces will generate unhappy faces in one or all cities! You should consider fixing this little bug.


Wow, I stand corrected. Thanks for pointing out that rather large blunder. It will be fixed in the next update. Thanks again.

Also there are no wonders that change unhappiness, I was wrong again.

 
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