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Logical Realist
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California
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From dictionary.com:
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prej·u·dice Pronunciation Key (prj-ds)
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1. An adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand or without knowledge or examination of the facts.
2. A preconceived preference or idea.
2. The act or state of holding unreasonable preconceived judgments or convictions. See Synonyms at predilection.
3. Irrational suspicion or hatred of a particular group, race, or religion.
4. Detriment or injury caused to a person by the preconceived, unfavorable conviction of another or others. |
I gave good reasons for why I don't tend to like Christianity, as well as other superstitions. Though I wouldn't necessarily say I dislike a Christian(some are my friends)....that statement was more made to get under Kaak's skin.
As a group though I can say Christians have seemed to do more harm then good and I base that off of sound reasoning. Not irrational hatreds.
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Logical Realist
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California
Jan 2002
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I gave some reasons for number 3, so that hatreds not therefore irrational, to say it is while ignoring my reasoning is to say "Your suspicions are irrational....because they are irrational".
I also dislike Nazis as a group...but I'd hardly say that dislike was irrational.
Now for homosexuality:
1 Corintians:" 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,"
Romans 1:26
"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
1:27
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."
1 Timothy: "1:10
For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;"
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Guynemer
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Your "reasoning" consists of: I can say Christians have seemed to do more harm then good and I base that off of sound reasoning. Hardly a convincing case as I'm sure that you'll agree. |
LR-- I'm an atheist, and I completely agree with DD here. You're behaving just as badly as you say Christians do, and you're giving atheists a bad name in the process.
Have Christians pulled a lot of bad ****? Of course. They have also done a lot of good. In general, I'd say they've broken even, or at least close to it.
By your logic, dislike for atheism-in-general is completely justified; atheists have pulled some nasty **** in the past, too.
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Logical Realist
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California
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We are working off of different types of background knowledge,mine is far too much for me to go into at this time. Maybe at a later time. For short though I'd like to point to wars,opression,witchtrials and scientific progress that has been hampered by Christians.
The KKK wizard can give reasons...but I doubt they are valid.
To say that any judging of a group "no matter what" is wrong, is extremist and absolutist. Like I said, I don't like Nazis either basically because of wars,opression and genocide. Here your background knowledge and a priori biases agree for the most part with mine; so I bet we are more likely in agreement on that one. I think the fact that we live in an area heavily populated by Christians tends to bias our evaluation of Christianity as a whole in an irrational way.
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Logical Realist
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California
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By your logic, dislike for atheism-in-general is completely justified; atheists have pulled some nasty **** in the past, too. |
Atheism is not a positive ideology but a negative stance. Atheists promote nothing, Christianity does. I also tend to dislike irrationality on principle. This would include superstitious movements like Christianity, whenever atheist movements go bad its because they are usually based on some sort of dogma. Also try not to commit the perfectionist fallacy, you seem to be stating that since no group is perfect, no group is better then the other.
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Logical Realist
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California
Jan 2002
time: 21:17
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Broken even...that's nonsense. I can name dozens of harmful things Christians have done in the past and continue to do today. From harassing abortion clinics to trying to tear down the wall of separation between Church and state. Crusades, the opression of women, homophobia and the promortion of superstitions. I can think of little if anything good that's come out of Christianity. In either case what little usefullness its had is over, now its just a burden as it hampers critical thinking in an age where the most critical decisions must be made.
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Caligastia
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Kaak-
I think if you got to know some gay people you would realize that they are just people, like us, not something to be feared and hated.
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Caligastia
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Caligastia, you should already know that it would be unethical for me, in the rules of argumentation, to produce counter-arguments in the reparations thread without first doing some more reading on the topic. |
All I want is for you to answer why you think making the taxpayer pay is fair. Are you saying you have to up on the topic to know why you think that is fair??
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Kaak
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cag - quote:
Kaak-
I think if you got to know some gay people you would realize that they are just people, like us, not something to be feared and hated. |
As I have said before, I neither hate nor fear them. I dislike them, and I have known some.
LR, you can't be serious?
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I can name dozens of harmful things Christians have done in the past and continue to do today. From harassing abortion clinics to trying to tear down the wall of separation between Church and state. Crusades, the opression of women, homophobia and the promortion of superstitions. I can think of little if anything good that's come out of Christianity. |
I realize this may be hard for one so logical as yourself to fathom, but christianity has been a moral backbone for a couple thousand years. you can cry that christian morals aren't morals, etc, all you want, but the fact remains. Christianity has caused a vast amount of good in the day to day relations of people for a very long time. If you can't see this, then you are a fool like your friend.
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AECCP loves Democracy
Sep 1999
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Now that I have time, let's deal with the points I missed earlier. 
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Originally posted by Logical Realist
1 Corintians:" 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind," |
Apparently lesbians are OK in the eyes of the Lord. 
The original Greek text describes the last two behaviors as malakoi and arsenokoitai. Although this is often translated by many modern Bibles as homosexual, we can be fairly certain that this is not the meaning that Paul wanted to convey. If he had, he would have used the Greek word "paiderasste." That was the standard term at the time for male homosexuals. It can reasonablly be concluded from that he meant something different from male-male adult sex.
I can go on with a description of how the two words are used in other places in the Bible if you wish. But I think that this will do as an opening salvo.
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Romans 1:26
"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
1:27
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." |
The complete passage (verses 21-28) describes how ex-Christians engaged in orgiastic, presumably heterosexual sexual activities. Later God "gave them over" to something new: homosexual behavior. This implies that throughout their lifetime they had had a heterosexual orientation and had engaged only in heterosexual sex. God influenced them so that they engaged in homosexual sex. This was, for them, an unnatural activity. They were criticized because they were engaged in sexual activity which was unnatural for them.
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1 Timothy: "1:10
For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;" |
These verses also refer to malakoi arsenokoitai which has been variously translated as homosexuals, sexual perverts, pederasts, etc in various versions of the Bible and appears to have no direct relationship to homosexuality.
I want to close this post by saying that homosexual behavior, in and of itself, is not intrinsically sinful any more than heterosexual behavior is. Either can be sinful if they involve exploitation or manipulation or are not carried out safely in a healthy and committed relationship.
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darthmolar
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I also do not like homosexuals.
It is not natural. It is vile and repulsive in my eyes. Homosexuals, while they can contrubute to society, should not be allowed to adopt children. The best environment for a child is a two-parent man and wife (male and female) household.
I do not like homosexuals.
Yes I am a bigot when it comes to this issue. It is an abomination. Yes I am religous. I am LDS (and satisfied with that fact). Many will and do say that I am narrow minded. I expect that. They say my views are wrong. That is fine by me. I know deep within my heart, mind, and soul that this opinion of mine is correct.
I do not like homosexuals.
They are not a majority. They are a minority. I liked society when they were stil in the closet were they belong. Yes I too am a bigot. I except that. Homosexuality is not normal. Heterosexuality is normal. Many in the homosexual community try to push their sexual orientation on the rest of us. This is wrong. Heterosexuals to not force this issue on gays. What are homosexuals so afraid of? Why do they feel the need to recruit? Why are the majority of pedophiles homosexuals?
I do not like homosexuals. I hate pedophiles.
I am a parent. I have a wife and baby girl. The majority of pedophiles molest little boys. These pedophiles are men...gay men. Many belong to NaMBLA (National Man-Boy Love Association). This organization is the ultimate abomination. I am a bigot. I am a bigot with a valid point.
I do not like abortion.
Abortion is wrong. Women want their choice. What about the choice of the unborn child? Would you like to have been aborted? Abortion is not and should not be used as birth control. Use protection or keep your legs closed and your tool in your pants. Abortion is wrong. What the fundamentalsits do to people at abortion clinics is also wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right.
I do not like liberals.
Liberals defend pedophiles and wish to legalize the act. Liberal lawyers defend child molesters and child killers (such as the vile Texas mother who drowned her 5 children). Liberals attack the family. Liberals uphold unwholesome acts. Liberals oppose God and the God-given constitution of the great USA. Liberals wish to remove one's right to pray in schools and other public places. The USA was founded on belief in God, the almighty. If you don't like this fact about America, then get out.
Many do not understand my faith nor my point of view. That is fine. Here in the USA we still have the right to exercise our freedom of speech. My opinions do not mean I am uneducated nor lack intelligence. Quit the contrary. I have an extensive education and am very intelligent - don't associate with MENSA, they annoy me. However, liberal-minded people wish to silence us in America. They wish only their opinions to be heard, and not the opinions of other people.
I do not like homosexuals.
Why do gays feel the need to flaunt their homosexuality? The majority of heterosexuals do not feel the need to do this.
I am a bigot. I do not like homosexuals. I do not like liberalism. I have faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. I believe that America is the land mentioned in ancient texts. I believe that everyone in the USA, and the world at large has the right to persue what makes them happy, whether I agree with it or not. I uphold the free agency of all - whether they be gay or straight, black or white, religious or anti-religious, conservative or liberal. Above all I believe in freedom. Yes I am a bigot, not a racist, not a sexist, not a religious fundamentalist. I have my opinion as does everyone else. I will not at all be surprised to be attacked by homosexuals, liberals, and others on this forum. I expect that. It is their God-given right to do so. I have said my piece.
Good day, evening, and night to all. Although I am a bigot, I do not hate anyone with the exception of child molesters...and that is a justifiable loathing.
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Kaak
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well said darthmolar.
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Kaak- you still haven't extended your self-analysis to the reasons why you dislike gays. |
I agree with darth. I think it is vile and gross. I do not like people who look at kiddie porn. It is probably a "genetic abnormality" that makes child pornography turn them on. They probably have no choice in the matter. They are simply sick and twisted. Same with homos. They may or may not be able to help it. It doesn't matter. It doesn't make it any less disgusting.
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Guynemer
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Wow. So many ignorant falsehoods, so little time. Where to begin?
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Originally posted by darthmolar
I also do not like homosexuals.
It is not natural. |
Says who? You do know that homosexuality can be observed in other species, don't you?
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It is vile and repulsive in my eyes. Homosexuals, while they can contrubute to society, should not be allowed to adopt children. The best environment for a child is a two-parent man and wife (male and female) household. |
That, my friend, is an opinion. Not a fact.
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They are not a majority. They are a minority. I liked society when they were stil in the closet were they belong. Yes I too am a bigot. I except that. Homosexuality is not normal. Heterosexuality is normal. Many in the homosexual community try to push their sexual orientation on the rest of us. This is wrong. Heterosexuals to not force this issue on gays. What are homosexuals so afraid of? Why do they feel the need to recruit? |
"They are not a majority. They are a minority. I liked society when they were still in the back of the bus were they belong. Yes, I too am a bigot. I accept that. Being black is not normal. Being white is normal. Many in the black community try to push their ethnicity on the rest of us. This is wrong. Whites do not force this issue on blacks. What are blacks so afraid of? Why do they feel the need to recruit?" (I even cleaned up the spelling and grammar errors for you. Cheers. EDIT: Had to go back and do it again... there were just so many. Can't guarantee I got 'em all this time, either.)
And gays recruit? How, exactly, do they "recruit"?
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Why are the majority of pedophiles homosexuals? |
Source please? Good luck finding one, since this is just an out-and-out lie.
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I do not like homosexuals. I hate pedophiles.
I am a parent. I have a wife and baby girl. The majority of pedophiles molest little boys. These pedophiles are men...gay men. Many belong to NaMBLA (National Man-Boy Love Association). This organization is the ultimate abomination. I am a bigot. I am a bigot with a valid point. |
Wow. Taking a stand against pedophiles. How brave of you.
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I do not like abortion.
Abortion is wrong. Women want their choice. What about the choice of the unborn child? Would you like to have been aborted? Abortion is not and should not be used as birth control. Use protection or keep your legs closed and your tool in your pants. Abortion is wrong. What the fundamentalsits do to people at abortion clinics is also wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Again, more opinion, but I can't complain too much since it wasn't really presented as anything but. The last thing this board needs, however, is yet another abortion debate.
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I do not like liberals.
Liberals defend pedophiles and wish to legalize the act. Liberal lawyers defend child molesters and child killers (such as the vile Texas mother who drowned her 5 children). Liberals attack the family. Liberals uphold unwholesome acts. Liberals oppose God and the God-given constitution of the great USA. Liberals wish to remove one's right to pray in schools and other public places. The USA was founded on belief in God, the almighty. If you don't like this fact about America, then get out. |
Oh boy, do you have me pegged. Yup, that's right, first thing I'm going to do once I finish this post is to go out and write and congresspeople--LEGALIZE PEDOPHILIA NOW! Then, after that, I'm going to "attack the family," whatever on Earth that means. And boy, do I abhor that evil Constitution. Boy howdy, I tell ya, nothing cheeses me off more than freedom of speech, press, religion, assembly, etc. And if I can't get the Constitution shredded, I guess I'd better move to China with all the other liberals, yup.
Here's a news flash, Sparky--The USA was NOT founded on belief in "God, the Almighty." Many of our esteemed Founding Fathers were NOT Christians. They were, in fact, Deists. So quit trying to involve our beautifully secular nation in your one-true-religion fantasy world.
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Many do not understand my faith nor my point of view. That is fine. Here in the USA we still have the right to exercise our freedom of speech. My opinions do not mean I am uneducated nor lack intelligence. Quit the contrary. I have an extensive education and am very intelligent - don't associate with MENSA, they annoy me. However, liberal-minded people wish to silence us in America. They wish only their opinions to be heard, and not the opinions of other people. |
Quite the contrary, friend. Talk as loudly and as long as you want. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
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Why do gays feel the need to flaunt their homosexuality? The majority of heterosexuals do not feel the need to do this.
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Define "flaunting their homosexuality," if you'd be so kind.
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I am a bigot. I do not like homosexuals. I do not like liberalism. I have faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. I believe that America is the land mentioned in ancient texts. I believe that everyone in the USA, and the world at large has the right to persue what makes them happy, whether I agree with it or not. I uphold the free agency of all - whether they be gay or straight, black or white, religious or anti-religious, conservative or liberal. Above all I believe in freedom. Yes I am a bigot, not a racist, not a sexist, not a religious fundamentalist. I have my opinion as does everyone else. I will not at all be surprised to be attacked by homosexuals, liberals, and others on this forum. I expect that. It is their God-given right to do so. I have said my piece. |
I hope you also expect to be attacked by some conservative Christian members of this forum as well. Because, I assure you, some of them will regard your post as just as much utter nonsense as I do.
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Good day, evening, and night to all. Although I am a bigot, I do not hate anyone with the exception of child molesters...and that is a justifiable loathing. |
Glad you're taking such a heroic stand. 
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