08-03-2002 07:26									#1
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I'm just taking a general census now to see who would be interested in another scenario contest. Be it SDC #4 or something entirely new (which I have been considering for some time now).

Despite being unable to update SLeague's site on 'Poly, I still have a large server which could fulfill the purposes to get another successful contest going.

If you're interested or have ideas and comments you'd like to contribute, please post em here.

	08-03-2002 09:09									#3
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It might be hard to find many compeditors, but another scenario design contest would be interesting...

some ideas:
* NATO-Warsaw Pact War
* The Viet Minh vs the French
* The United States invasion of Mexico in the 1850s (?)
* The US Civil War (the entire thing, or a campaign/battle of your choosing)

	08-03-2002 10:38									#4
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I think it would be kind of neat to see some mythological scenarios.

	08-03-2002 16:10									#5
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Fantastic idea Warvoid!

As for ideas, how about an alternate history scenario? A person could pick a specific event in history, choose to change one important fact, and imagine the world as a consequence later. Obviously there would have to be a time limit as to how far into the future one could portray events for.

Ancient scenarios would probably require a period of perhaps 500 years for a sufficiently altered timeline to develop, while in the modern era, a few months might suffice.

A few ideas:
what if Alexander the Great hadn't died at such a young age?
what if the Roman Empire somehow survived?
what if France had won the Napoleonic Wars?
what if Germany had won WW1?
what if Germany had won WW2?
what if the Berlin Airlift triggered a U.S. - U.S.S.R. war?

	08-03-2002 16:55									#6
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the problem is if there is going to be enough participants

but other way in an excellent idea

	08-03-2002 17:05									#7
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I think it is a good idea

Perhaps it could be made together with the CivFanatics, since there is a very active scn community too

	08-03-2002 17:10									#8
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro I think it is a good idea Perhaps it could be made together with the CivFanatics, since there is a very active scn community too

that would be a good idea

	08-03-2002 19:10									#9
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Changed my mind, and am withdrawing my support of this.

Good luck with it.

Last edited by Chris 62 on 09-03-2002 at 18:55

	08-03-2002 19:11									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Case * The Viet Minh vs the French

Hey!!! don't dare to stole out my ideas...

Still got my RC4 stuff somewhere on my chaotic PC harddisk.

	08-03-2002 22:37									#11
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How about one involving the japanese in ww2 pacific theater for ToT?

	09-03-2002 02:07									#12
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do it for mge not for tot

	09-03-2002 03:01									#13
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I was thinking along the lines of doing a general scenario design contest, in which it wasn't limited by a category, like the SDC's were.

So, basically, it would be entirely dependent on the overall design of the scenario to win the contest. Of course, we'd have runner up's (gold, silver, bronze) and maybe I can get Markos to do something special for the winners (any ideas?).

This would both increase the number of participants and really grow the diversity of the project, so that people would'nt be copying eachother. IMHO, it's boring to have a contest with several scenarios about the same thing.

As for involving CivFanatics, i've no problem with that. I know Thunderfall from way back when CF was just a idea floating in the aether. I'll drop him an e-mail aboot it.

	09-03-2002 03:05									#14
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That's a splendid idea, WarVoid

	09-03-2002 04:09									#15
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quote: Originally posted by WarVoid maybe I can get Markos to do something special for the winners (any ideas?).

Three words: huge cash prizes

	09-03-2002 05:05									#16
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I doubt that very much Case

	09-03-2002 05:13									#17
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Gimme Da Cash!

	09-03-2002 05:42									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Case Three words: huge cash prizes

Yeah, right, keep dreamin Case.

	09-03-2002 09:43									#19
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quote: Originally posted by WarVoid Yeah, right, keep dreamin Case.

Oh well, it was worth a try

Perhaps a more realistic prize would be something extorted from Firaxis and/or something from the Apolyton gift shop

BTW, How's this going to be judged?

	09-03-2002 09:47									#20
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quote: Originally posted by WarVoid I was thinking along the lines of doing a general scenario design contest, in which it wasn't limited by a category, like the SDC's were ... IMHO, it's boring to have a contest with several scenarios about the same thing. As for involving CivFanatics, i've no problem with that. I know Thunderfall from way back when CF was just a idea floating in the aether. I'll drop him an e-mail aboot it.

I'm surprised and pleased that the concept is getting another run ... maybe ...?

WV ... you should have a contest with some parameters! Maybe the theme doesn't have to be common to all scenarios (e.g. instead build a scenario with 'these' graphics, or 'this' tech tree, etc.).

I still think you can achieve great diversity within the one theme however ... the Dracula section of SDC#3 brought forward four quite distinctly different scenarios.

The idea of co-hosting it with Civ Fanatics is a good one. Best of luck with it.

(Now I'll go and hide for another six months)

	09-03-2002 10:05									#21
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Of course there will be parameters. I'll devise a full set of rules and a small website detailing the entire process specifically for the contest after I get some more feedback on the idea.

Personally, I don't think four scenarios is a very large amount of feedback. I think, by eliminating theme parameters, the contest will appeal to a much wider crowd with much more interest and dedication.

Case - As soon as this contest is finalised i'll be posting a thread in which I will be accepting nominations for judges. Whoever wants to be a judge can post in that thread, and out of that four will be choosen to judge and playtest for the contest.

I'll send an e-mail to Markos and see what I can get for a response about prizes. Tho don't expect anything big. Maybe we can put your ugly mug on Poly's index for a day.

	09-03-2002 10:14									#22
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Have you considered limiting the competition to multiplayer/PBEM only scenarios?
These seem to be enjoying a boom in popularity at the moment, and as they don't require complex events are fairly easy to produce.

*denies allegations that this sugestion has anything to do with the fact that all of my current projects are MP scenarios*

quote: Originally posted by WarVoid I'll send an e-mail to Markos and see what I can get for a response about prizes. Tho don't expect anything big. Maybe we can put your ugly mug on Poly's index for a day.

*shudders*

I'd definetly make a scenario for a shot at a 'Poly mug though

	09-03-2002 20:45									#23
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How does this work?

	09-03-2002 21:45									#24
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I like Case's idea. We haven't had one based on PBEM multiplayer yet, and it is the coming thing. Leave the platform up to to the contestant.

I think it needs a theme though, Warvoid. Otherwise any nearly complete scenario someone is working on (I have a number) could be torqued up and submitted, while other contestants would have to start from scratch. Besides, arguing over the theme is part of the fun.

You'll need a contest adminstrator to handle files and questions from contestants and a judge. Plus a timeframe - perhaps 6 months?

Thanks for taking the initiative on this, Warvoid. It's just what we need right now.

	10-03-2002 00:54									#25
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Errr... I'm not sure I like the idea of having to multiplayer test a scenario each time I make a tweak...

	10-03-2002 07:24									#26
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Well, seeing all the interest, i'm considering running three subcategories.

You'll have the Multiplayer Contest, which will cater to scenarios designed specifically for MGE and multiplayer games.

You'll have the PBEM Contest, which will cater to scenarios that are designed specifically for PBEM and achieve the goal of keeping the players interested (can you say Age of War?).

And finally you'll have the standard contest, in which people can submit basically any FW/CiC scenario that meets certain criteria (i.e. scn not older than 1 year, not MGE, etc.).

From these three contests we'll award gold, silver and bronze prizes to the entries (providing we get enough of them). Then, we'll pool the three categories together and have a large judging team determine a "best of show" scenario, which will then receive the "grand prize" per-say.

How's that sound?

	10-03-2002 08:01									#27
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quote: Originally posted by techumseh I think it needs a theme though, Warvoid. Otherwise any nearly complete scenario someone is working on (I have a number) could be torqued up and submitted, while other contestants would have to start from scratch. Besides, arguing over the theme is part of the fun.

I agree very much on this. It'd be part of the fun to see how different creators tackle the same theme. The theme doesn't have to be limited to a historical situation. It could very well be a concept, say, WAR! or -whatever- peaceful coexistence, barbarism, invasion, amphibious campaign, myth, legend. But somehow it will need to inspire, and at the same time not be too constraining. -Anyway, constraint is not neccessarily a bad thing in such a competition.

	10-03-2002 08:19									#28
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quote: Originally posted by WarVoid Well, seeing all the interest, i'm considering running three subcategories. You'll have the Multiplayer Contest, which will cater to scenarios designed specifically for MGE and multiplayer games. You'll have the PBEM Contest, which will cater to scenarios that are designed specifically for PBEM and achieve the goal of keeping the players interested (can you say Age of War?). And finally you'll have the standard contest, in which people can submit basically any FW/CiC scenario that meets certain criteria (i.e. scn not older than 1 year, not MGE, etc.). From these three contests we'll award gold, silver and bronze prizes to the entries (providing we get enough of them). Then, we'll pool the three categories together and have a large judging team determine a "best of show" scenario, which will then receive the "grand prize" per-say. How's that sound?

Too much. You may not get enough submissions in each category to make a good contest. Better to pick one theme, after thorough discussion, to ensure there's enough interest. Also, don't underestimate the work involved in administering the contest.

	10-03-2002 08:54									#29
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quote: Originally posted by techumseh Too much. You may not get enough submissions in each category to make a good contest. Better to pick one theme, after thorough discussion, to ensure there's enough interest. Also, don't underestimate the work involved in administering the contest.

I agree. There simply aren't enough scenario makers around to justify more then one category.

As for the topic, I'd sugest that you choose a historical theme.

	10-03-2002 10:24									#30
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Ok then, we'll have a theme and limit it to a single category.

So c'mon now, make some suggestions.

Personally, i'd like to see something set in the era of the Age of Sail, sometime between 1600 to 1800. Lord knows that era will give you the opportunity to create a myriad of excellent scenarios.