21-03-2002 08:47									#1
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Which aircraft so dominated its contemporaries as to be the most dominating ever? The Sopwith Camel? Spitfire? Zero? Mustang? ME262? Saber? F4? F15?

Any others that were greats that aren't listed? Any that don't belong on the list?

Is 'Saber' correct? I don't recall. (Getting old)

Anyone remember the German WW1 plane that dominated for the early years of WW1?

What's the best of the jets on the drawing boards or just entering production? The US has the F22, speed, vectored thrust and stealth, but what of the Euro fighter and the new Russian Mig? Does SAAB still make fighters? The French have anything new?

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	21-03-2002 08:49									#2
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The parachute?

	21-03-2002 08:51									#3
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Does the Avro Arrow count?

	21-03-2002 08:54									#4
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Albertan separatists aren't allowed to brag about the Arrow.

	21-03-2002 08:54									#5
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I'll have to go with the F4F Wildcats. That aircraft was the begining of the end for the Japanese Zero.

	21-03-2002 08:55									#6
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The Su-35.

	21-03-2002 08:57									#7
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The F-15... still, the best air superiority fighter still flying.
It was so good, the Russians built a plane "just" like it... one would think that it is a direct copy

	21-03-2002 09:00									#8
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SPRUCE GOOSE!!!

Or the F-22 that is going to be coming out someday soon.

	21-03-2002 09:02									#9
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It's the F-86 Sabre.

Do you mean the Fokker Eindecker?

I'd say the Zero because simply the best fighter in the Pacific for most of the war (until the arrival of the Corsair). The Zero was fast and maneuverable. The only way the Americans could compensate for their inferior fighters was to create team tactics.

Even late in the war, a zero flown by a good pilot could holds its own against the American a/c.

In the European theatre, none of the planes really dominated the enemy.

The Mustang was probably the best fighter, in terms of performance, but it didn't dominate the skies by itself.

	21-03-2002 09:03									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski SPRUCE GOOSE!!!

Hell yeah! The Eurocoms are even copying that concept today.

	21-03-2002 09:03									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Ming The F-15... still, the best air superiority fighter still flying. It was so good, the Russians built a plane "just" like it... one would think that it is a direct copy

Russia's aerodynamics is about 15 years ahead of the US. Just look at the MiG-25. It's stainless steel and can still fly so fast.

	21-03-2002 09:05									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai In the European theatre, none of the planes really dominated the enemy.

What about the Me-109, the Me-190, and the Me-262?

	21-03-2002 09:07									#13
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Asher, what is an Avro Arrow?

DinoDoc, did the F4F dominate all others though?

UR, is the SU35 the new Russian fighter with vectored thrust?

Ming, F15 has to be one of the top contenders, but I wonder if it dominated its contemporaries more than say, the Sopwith Camel?

Tuberski, is the F22 going to be all that much better than the Eurofighter?

	21-03-2002 09:08									#14
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Damn these posts are coming in fast! Fokker Eindecker, I think so...

	21-03-2002 09:09									#15
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My personal fav is the Convair B-36 Peacemaker. It was from the 1950s-1960s. At the time it was the largest bomber and capable of traveling the furthest. Plus I just like the name

	21-03-2002 09:17									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Asher, what is an Avro Arrow? Ming, F15 has to be one of the top contenders, but I wonder if it dominated its contemporaries more than say, the Sopwith Camel?

Has an F- 15 EVER been shot down by another aircraft

I rest my case!

	21-03-2002 09:17									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer UR, is the SU35 the new Russian fighter with vectored thrust?

The new Russian fighter with vectored thrust is called SU-47 (S-37 "Berkut").
How to attach images in this forum?

	21-03-2002 09:19									#18
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B-52 Superfortress.

Lets face it, this bad bear has done more damage and been put to more use than, well, pretty much anything.

The Damn thing has been in service since the '50's....and they plan on keeping it through 2040!

That's like having a fricking Sopwith flying today...

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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Tuberski, is the F22 going to be all that much better than the Eurofighter?

Who knows, just sounded better than the spruce goose. But it is a helluva plane.

And what about the 747?

doesn't say WARplane in the title.

	21-03-2002 09:23									#20
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Serb,

You use the attach file function. Must be either in JPEG,GIF, or PNG format to be displayed on screen.

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	21-03-2002 09:25									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger You use the attach file function. Must be either in JPEG,GIF, or PNG format to be displayed on screen.

This damn function don't work. I've tried to do it many times.

	21-03-2002 09:26									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Asher, what is an Avro Arrow?

It was an airplane so advanced the US government strongarmed Canada into destroying its designs and prototypes after a few flights back in the late 50s.

Lots of info: http://web.idirect.com/~ccaft/arrow.html

Excerpt:

quote: On March 25, 1958, the Avro Arrow Mark I ­ a "great, sleek, white bird," to one observer ­ lifted gracefully from the runway and was airborne for the first time.5 The most advanced aircraft in the world, it exceeded all expectations. At three­quarter throttle, the Arrow flew at nearly twice the speed of sound ­ faster than the most advanced plane in the Canadian Air Force three decades later, the American F­18. The world speed record in 1958 was 1404 mph. The first five Arrows, fitted with temporary, less powerful engines, flew at 1320 mph. Into the sixth Arrow was installed the most advanced and the most powerful engine in the world, the brand new Iroquois, Canadian designed and built from scratch. On February 19, 1959, the Avro Arrow Mark II, fitted with Iroquois engines, was on the tarmac, being prepared for the test flight expected easily to break the world speed record. Behind it, another thirty­one Mark IIs, Iroquois equipped, were ready to roll down the assembly line.

Most of the Avro engineers went to the US after the Canadian government terminated the Arrow ( ) and worked for NASA. They then worked on putting a man on the moon...

KH: I'm not a separatist.

	21-03-2002 09:30									#23
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I dare say The Excalibur could kick yer Avro's arse.




Yep.

	21-03-2002 09:34									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar I dare say The Excalibur could kick yer Avro's arse. Yep.

ROTFLMAO... That would even beat the F-15...

	21-03-2002 09:36									#25
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quote: I'll have to go with the F4F Wildcats. That aircraft was the begining of the end for the Japanese Zero.

You mean the F6F Hellcat, don't you?

	21-03-2002 09:38									#26
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd You mean the F6F Hellcat, don't you?

I would hope so... the F4 would have been the end of any prop fighter

	21-03-2002 09:40									#27
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No, he said the F4F, which was a US Navy, and, to a much lesser extent, Marine fighter, which was certainly inferior to the Zero except in terms of armor, self-sealing fuel tanks, and a coupla other things which didn't make up for its disadvantages.

	21-03-2002 09:42									#28
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Production of the Fokker DVII was actually banned under the Versailles Treaty. That should tell you something.

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	21-03-2002 09:42									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Serb This damn function don't work. I've tried to do it many times.

It does too. What OS and browser are you using?

	21-03-2002 09:50									#30
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one more try
It's a miracle, it works now!!!

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