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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
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As for WW2, IL-2 Ilyushin-2 (Black Death, Flying tank) is the best plane.
"The "Flying Tank" of the Soviet Air Force, the Il-2 has the distinction of being the most produced aircraft in history at a total of 36,163. After the prototype was flown in December 1939, the production line was quickly opened and the aircraft entered combat in July 1941, just after the German invasion. From that point on the Shturmovik (armoured attacker) became a highly effective ground attack aircraft through to the end of the war with successive versions being fielded as late as the Korean War. Surrounded by armour 4 mm to 8 mm thick, the aircraft's pilot, engine and fuel tanks were difficult to hit from above and below, making the Il-2 near impervious to fighters and flak. Such rugged construction, combined with several cannon and lowlevel flying, made the aircraft a pivotal piece of flying artillery in opposing the German advance, then throwing it back. The initial single-seat versions proved vulnerable, so a second seat was added for a rear-firing gunner. Later versions were fitted with two 37 trim cannon which could punch through most tank armour. The standard Soviet nozhnitsi (scissors) tactic decimated German columns and trains by flying pairs or line abreast Il-2 formations in opposing, cross over lowlevel S-turns, concentrating firepower while confusing anti-aircraft gunners and fighters...
(from Jane's Aircraft of World War II)
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http://www.aeronautics.ru/il2.htm
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:18
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Originally posted by Lonestar
I see it.
In the '80's there was a Joint German-American effort along those lines. The Su-35 is nothing new. |
This is the picture of SU-47 (S-37 Berkut)
This is the fighter of fifth generation and it is absolutely new, it's the only close competitor is F-22.
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:18
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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
What about the Me-109, the Me-190, and the Me-262? |
The Spitfire and ME-109 both had advantages and disadvantages of the other so neither really dominated.
This is what an RAF website has to say:
"The various strengths and shortcomings of the Messerschmitt, the Hurricane, and the Spitfire largely cancelled out in combat. The Hurricane's comparative weakness in acceleration was offset by its extreme strength and ruggedness. There was little to choose between the Spitfire and the Me109 between 12,000 and 17,000 feet, but above 20,000 feet the Messerschmitt was undoubtedly the better machine. It dived faster than its opponents, but required much more physical effort to fly. The weak, narrow undercarriage caused many accidents, but despite this and the cramped cockpit, the aircraft was popular with its pilots."
See: http://www.raf.mod.uk/bob1940/me109.html Great stuff on the Battle of Britain.
The ME-262 was innovative, but the Mustang could hold its own against it, which says something about the Mustang.
The Mustang was also a match for the FW 190.
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:18
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Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
Oh - I thought they just made a mistake putting the plane together. |
Try to make such kind of mistake. I'll supose after all your efforts you'll be able to make such "mistake" only after 15-20 years and only if you steal our technology.
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:18
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Originally posted by faded glory
Russian MiGs are DECADES behind us. Where have you been? The MiG-29 is no match for the F-15. All the MiG's suffer from a detretmental lack of electronics. |
He talk about Mig-25, it is STILL the most fast fighter. None fighter still beat it's speed record.
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Ask yourself, when was the last a MiG shot down an American made plane?
Try 1973. |
Try 1999 Yugoslavia. The few OLD versions of Mig 29 shoot down your planes. At nowdays Airforces of countries are upgrade not only because of new types of planes, but mostly by new electronics, weapons systems etc. If NEWEST modifications of Mig or Su were used by Serbs (regeretfuly they wer unable to upgrade their AF in proper time) then results of your campaign were different. Anyhow you have ten times more planes then Serbs. USA a real great country with superior Air Forces and army  unable to handle even with weakest opponents by it's self, always create a coalition. this is the sighn of real great power.
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Dogfighting yes,the MiG's are superior. But somebody needs to tell those crusty russian generals Dogfighting is an obsolete concept ;QUOTE]
Of course, the war with use of conventional weapons is an obsolete concept. Who need all those fighters and tanks if you able to destroy whole world with few pushes of buttons.
[QUOTE]Yes the Russians had good cheap alternatives. But they just dont match up. The Electronics in a MiG-29 (80's) werent even on par with are 60's era F-4's. An Soviet AAM's have a very poor performance. |
Blah...Blah....Blah......
BULLSH!T. Especialy about MIG-29. MIG-29 one of the best planes ever and of course it match up to F-15 and SU-27 is superior then F-15.
And remember how your specialists were shoked about Mig-25 electronics, FoF, etc and weapons when one our traitor land it in Japan in 80s?
Ah.. Almost forget who do you think created your stealth planes?
Soviet engineer Ufimtsev, who immigrated in USA in 60s.
Face it, generaly Russian planes are the best. I agree only that the F-14 Tomcat is really cool plane.
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:18
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Originally posted by ravagon
Possibly something to do with the fact that no Russian pilot in his right mind would fly the deathtrap? 
Very sensible those Ruskie pilots of yours... |
If you want to see a deathtrap, then look at your shuttles.
The question is not about that pilot want or don't want to fly. The question is about the Buran was build with use of technology and superior electronic which makes possible to flight in full automatic mode even without single pilot. This thing is your shuttle is UNABLE to do, so all your talks about our backwards in electronics is one, big piece of bullsh!t.
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21-03-2002 09:53
and Me-109 fighters. Great combination.
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