30-03-2002 02:27									#61
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They are insufferable, Imran. In couple months the number of the Israeli casualties will be equal to the number of soldiers killed in the Six Days War.

	30-03-2002 02:53									#62
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Did anyone see CNN now?! Christiane Amanpour interviewed Arafat and asked gently whether he will fight violence(not terror). Arafat started screaming like mad, "shut up, you're talking with General Yasser Arafat!" and more and then hanged up.

	30-03-2002 03:19									#63
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A better summary of what happened in the interview :

Christian Amanpour : "Powell said you should fight violence, are you going to do this?"
Arafat : "Do you ask me while i'm under siege? You're a bad journalist! You should respect your proffesion! You need to know how to talk when you talk with General Arafat!"
Amanpour : "I just asked if..."
Arafat : "Shut up! Shut up!"
Amanpour shocked.
Arafat : "[swears in Arabic] goodbye". Hangs up.

	30-03-2002 03:29									#64
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Arafat was right. Stop the violence while he's totally trapped? What an idiotic, moronic question.

One thing that Israel's actions will do is prevent the US from attacking Iraq anytime soon. The Arab nations won't stand for it.

	30-03-2002 03:32									#65
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Especially given that the Saudis and Kuwaitis now seem to have shaken hands and made up with Iraq.

	30-03-2002 06:08									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Kropotkin Ahh I get so tierd of all this. Shits hits the fan in Israel/Palestina as usual and some Israeli must come hear and post a new thread about it without the interest of listening to arguments at all. It's almost as pointless as the conflict.

I actually do participate in duscussion even though I usually disagree with ya'll.

I posted this thread to clearify the news from the Israeli p.o.v.

I post what I think and what is in the Israeli news.

I don't think one could survive if all he ahd to rely on was CNN.

	30-03-2002 06:10									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten You're going to piss on Arafat's compound for weeks? I guess you're trying to flood him out of the country. A novel idea.

ROFL

quote: If a camera catches Arafat dying while defending himself against Israelis the hawks amongst the Pal's will get a very nice martyr indeed...

Very true.

That's why we decided not to exile or execute him. That would create a martyr.

Oh yeah, and some say it's immoral to do this without a trial

	30-03-2002 06:10									#68
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You should stop watching CNN...

	30-03-2002 06:13									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Y'all are shooting yourselves in the foot. Arafat's a bastard, but he's a veritable moderate in comparison to the other major elements of power in Palestinian society, namely the terrorist groups. Undermine him, and don't be surprised to see the Hamas or the Islamic Jihad filling the power vacuum.

That's what we used to think as well.

However, we've come to clearly see, that not only does Arafat not stop Hamas and Jihad when he doesn't wish to do so, he infact coordinates their actions and provides them money and weapons (Karin A).

Arafat's men usually meet with representatives of Hamas and Jihad and tell them when to stop terracts, and when to continue.

	30-03-2002 06:14									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion While I can see that is welcome news to the Israeli population, it doesn't justify the attacks on ambulances.

We didn't attack an ambulance.

We stopped it and searched it.

If it doesn't stop, however, we must assume it has something to hide.

quote: And it doesn't justify the shooting of a man laying naked on the ground after being held by the police, either.

That has nothing to do with that incident.

quote: Saddest is, the US supports Israel, thereby making history go the wrong way

It's troll, troll....

	30-03-2002 06:18									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Arafat was right. Stop the violence while he's totally trapped? What an idiotic, moronic question.

That's again his excuse for everything.

He wasn't f**king trapped for the last two weeks, and yet he didnt' do anything to stop the violence then!

He wasn't f**king trapped for the last 18 months, and yet he did nothing to stop the violence then!

So don't give me this "he's trapped" sh!t.

He wasn't trapped for long enough time. Too long.

	30-03-2002 06:18									#72
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Excuse me Siro but I do think that those statements about Arafat are quite speculative at this point in time. It is possible of cource.

In case you didn't see it on CNN, in that case it must be true.

	30-03-2002 06:23									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Kropotkin You should stop watching CNN...

Maybe.

BBC is far far worse.

Just two days ago there was an interview with an Israeli representative, and just as he began explaining the situation well, the reporter quickly interefered and asked him another question, and when he ignored it and continued to mention the terror before 1967, he was cut off the air.

"We haven't enough time, thank you Gideon Meier, we'll let you get back to your family" she said.

HAVEN'T ENOUGH TIME??

She just asked him a different question for God's sake.

The truth is, they news editor, didn't want people to hear the truth. Terror didn't start after the occupation. It started way before.

	30-03-2002 06:25									#74
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...And that of cource justifies the ocupation....

	30-03-2002 06:29									#75
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I dont know what to think abut the palestien and isreal

the palestinneasn should have their own state

but the islamx fundamentalsts should be crushed

	30-03-2002 06:37									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Kropotkin Excuse me Siro but I do think that those statements about Arafat are quite speculative at this point in time. It is possible of cource.

I think that those are not speculative, as I've no doubt that the sources of the GSS and Aman, and reporter Ehud Ya'ari, are not "speculative".

quote: In case you didn't see it on CNN, in that case it must be true.

I'm not saying CNN is lying (while they do sometimes).
I'm saying they omit 90% of the information in each report.

http://www.honestreporting.com/

	30-03-2002 06:40									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Kropotkin ...And that of cource justifies the ocupation....

That justified the military action at the time.

Staying inside and settling wasn't a very good choise.

But Israel decided to do so, to put further pressure on the Arab countries to sign a peace agreement based on land-for-peace (Moshe Sharet was quoted on that after the war ended).

Furthremore, some of the lands, should remain in Israeli hands, to assure better security - ie that 1948 won't repeat itself.

	30-03-2002 06:40									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Assur the palestinneasn should have their own state but the islamx fundamentalsts should be crushed

	30-03-2002 06:44									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Kropotkin ...And that of cource justifies the ocupation....

Yes it does. What do you think this is, a game of tag, where you can touch a base and be safe? That gunmen can go out and kill people, and just because they ran into a given location, they should be allowed to escape?

That's why we have to go after those who harbor terrorists--to ensure that there is no safe place for them.

	30-03-2002 07:04									#80
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	30-03-2002 07:04									#81
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This situation is really getting ugly- Arafat has armed himself with a submachine gun and has said he is prepared to be martyred, meaning he is going to fight the Israeli forces himself. Arafat will die if he attempts to fight the Israeli soldiers, so with him dead the Palestinan hardliners will be in power.

	30-03-2002 07:48									#82
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Look, if he arms himself he's as good as any armed militia man, and will be targeted if he shoots, me thinks.


What you've seen from the interview with him on CNN, was his mood. You perhaps heard, that his mood also goes off when he is talking to his subordinates.

Just a month ago, he had an arguement with Jibril Rajoub, his chief of security in Ramallah, during which he pulled a gun, targeted him, pulled the safety trigger, and yelled at Rajoub.

Notice how he called himself "General Arafat" and not "President".
That shows how he sees himself. Not as a leader of a democratic country, which the PA claims to be, but a General - a Dictator - just like Saddam.


Also, in the Egyptian TV film, notice how the camera is carefull not to show who is shooting, and then it cuts away when the camera could show who was shooting at whom.

	30-03-2002 08:14									#83
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Alon Pinkas is right. You cant build a big wall around the west bank and call it quits. Missiles go over walls, SB will still infiltrate. Forget it...

im 100% behind Israel. I dotn give a **** what the UNSC may say or not. I hope USA fights them every step of the way.

Having delt with Terrorism ourselves. We can relate a bit to what Israeli's are going through with these scumbags.

	30-03-2002 14:08									#84
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I made this thread before CNN.

So I want it to stay on top as the main source for information.

Discussions should probably be left to other threads.

	30-03-2002 15:25									#85
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OK were to begin...

*I forgot to mention after the sarcastic remark (the entire context seems to go over the mad monks head while Siro of cource got it (it would be sad if he didn't get his own posts ) about the ocupation that I do understand the point Siro, reporters more often than not doesn't give people a decent chance to finish. But that seems like an almost universal problem, not about ME in particular.

*As for the so called bias. I can honestly say that I didn't read that long article but I do belive I got the point before hand. My feeling on this is that it used to be more pro-Israeli around here (maybe due to the cold war and/or a lingering feeling of guilt. I don't really know) but this have changed over time.

That I usually argue against Israelis here is that there's not really any pals to argue against. The Israelis here are usually all to sure that they are right but I'm quite sure (with my rudimentary knowledge of human nature) that if we had a pal here who defended Arafat I would have serious troubles agreeing with him about anything. My feelings (I'm glad I have feelings stil, I sometimes think I'm a cold stone (jackson )) goes out those the innocent bystanders in this situation. The way things have been going the last couple of decades is totally horrific.

Hmm breakfast would be nice...

	30-03-2002 19:50									#86
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Arafat is stuck in two rooms, with no electricity, no phones, no water and no food.

What are the chances that someone will forget to feed him for a day or two?

	30-03-2002 20:24									#87
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quote: Christian Amanpour : "Powell said you should fight violence, are you going to do this?" Arafat : "Do you ask me while i'm under siege? You're a bad journalist! You should respect your proffesion! You need to know how to talk when you talk with General Arafat!" Amanpour : "I just asked if..." Arafat : "Shut up! Shut up!" Amanpour shocked. Arafat : "[swears in Arabic] goodbye". Hangs up.

Tsk, tsk... Eli, you are malreporting. You are not the only one who's been listening to Arafat.

Arafat also said that asking such a question in this occasion is in effect "covering the Israeli crimes", or something like that. Which is exactly what Colin Powell and CNN do, when they say that Arafat should do something against Palestinian violence, while it is obvious that he has not the power to do that. Plus Palestinian violence does not justify the Israeli "retaliation" (brutal aggression say I).

	30-03-2002 20:46									#88
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The problem is that I wasnt listening to Arafat. I heard only the "..bye" part after someone posted on an Israeli forum about his interview.
The one who saw it translated it to Hebrew, and I translated it back to english for you. That's how "Be quiet" became "shut up" and that's why there were other mistakes.

	30-03-2002 21:26									#89
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Amanpour is a b!tch.

When innocent civilians were getting killed in Kosovo she was talking about the cost of the american missiles.

Hang on Palestinian people and Yasser Arafat

Hi Eli

	30-03-2002 21:50									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui And then the terrorist bombings will be insufferable.

Relatively speaking, Isreal has suffered the equivilant of 56584 civilians killed or injured between September 29, 2000 - August 9, 2001 in comparison to the US. I think that the terrorist bombings have been insufferable for quite sometime.

Just for speculations sake, what do you think the US response would be if Mexico had purposefully killed or injured that many of its civilians in that same period of time and showed absolutely no signs of slowing down?