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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:18
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Originally posted by techumseh
Nonsense. You do not pay twice the income tax that an American does. Hell, I bet you don't pay income tax at all!  |
I do too, but I'm getting most of it back within the month.
But my dad seriously pays twice as much here as he did when we lived in California.
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More nonsense. The US has twice the per capita cost because it's a profit based system. Hundreds of giant health care corporations, each with thousands of shareholders to be satisfied, does not equal efficency and economy. |
Canada's health system is so efficient we have to wait, on aveage, 3-4 times as long as the Americans do for the same treatment. Kudos to efficiency.
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Two tier health care? Tier one: "Nurse, we'll have to order more tests. And our patient will need another prescription. No generics, though."
Tier two: "I'm sorry Mr. Johnson, I have bad news. You have what we call "no insurance." |
Germany's health care is one of the best in the world, and it's two tier. Open your eyes and see how to properly implement a two tier system, look up how those grazy Germans did it.
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:18
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Originally posted by notyoueither
Uhhh. Sorry to burst your bubble, but....
A rail link with BC was a precondition of their joining Confederation. It was not built for the enjoyment of the beaver and moose and buffalo who were the main inhabitants of Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta at the time. Another thing. The rail road was necessary for the Canadian government to assert sovereignty across the West in the face of American pressure.
People followed the rails. No rails, fewer or no people. In fact, Western Canada was largely settled in accord with plans in central Canada to create it's own colonies. Guess you didn't know that did you buck shot? Well guess what? We don't particularly care to be treated as colonists out here anymore! You think Quebec has reasons to grumble. Live a life on these Prairies and then tell me about it!
One last thing. Ever heard of the Crow Rate? Yeah, that's the one. The one where Western Canada was subsidised for shipping grain to Eastern Canada. Did you know the flip side? Western Canada paid jacked up rates to ship any finished goods to Eastern Canada. That and the fact that if you grow wheat on the prairies you must sell your crop to the Canada Wheat Board. Try to truck it across the border at your own expense and the government of Canada will prosecute you. Meanwhile, farmers in Ontario and everywhere else can sell their produce any G*d-damned place they want, free of the CWB. Chew on them apples.
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Nothing you said disputes the fact that the Western provinces were the main beneficiaries of the CPR. As you said, people followed the rails. There would be no farms or cattle ranches on the prairies had it not been for rail. There would have been no development of natural resources without rail (well, maybe oil and gas).
But don't even start me on the wheat farmers. When they have a bumper crop they complain that they can't sell it for a high price, but when crop prices crash, they demand hand outs from Ottawa.
And who created the CWB. Western grain farmers. They wanted a system that would provide protection when things were bad and to even out flucuating prices.
But, as always, they blame the Easterners.
Didn't the Crow rate get phased out years ago? And the reason it was there was to pay for the additional rail lines that were built years ago. IIRC, the farmers were complaining that there were not enough rail lines and so they built additional lines with the agreement that a toll would be applied on freight going through the Rockies. It was a user-pay system. And then the farmers complain about having to pay the tolls. They just wanted a free lunch.
Typical Western whines.
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:18
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Originally posted by Asher
but the US offers better treatment right now. |
What proof do you have to back up that statement?
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:18
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notyoueither: 
techumseh:
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I don't believe you. You're just a spoiled rich kid who thinks 'cause he's born into a wealthy family he has the right to go to the head of the line. It's one thing to have pride in your personal success in life. It's quite another to look down on other people because of something your daddy did. |
Oh, yay for generalizations!
I'm not spoiled. My dad was poor and he doesn't hand me things, he expects me to earn them just like everyone else. It builds character. I have a job, I buy my own stuff, I'd have to pay my way through university if I didn't get scholarships.
Don't patronize me, buddy.
I do believe if you've got the money, it's simply stupid to prevent you from spending that money to get services. There should be adequate services for everyone, but to be blunt, if you've got the money, and are forbidden to spend it on your own health, it's simply stupid. That's just how I see it, anyway.
Now come on, attack my character some more! I really enjoy that, especially since you don't know who you're talking to. 
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:18
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Originally posted by Asher
Again, this is sorta general observation/common sense type thing:
1) Most drugs are available in the US first, Canada gets them years later. Better drug availability.
2) Most good research hospitals are American, so more cutting edge treatment is there.
3) There is competition amongst providers, so they try to keep all equipment up to date and ready for use.
I've also had first hand experience in both countries with medical systems. |
1) Wouldn't that have to do with getting regulatory approval for a drug? Also, the top drug companies are based in the US, so naturally the drugs come out there first. The link between this and the health care system seems tenuous.
2) But is this related to the health care system or to the fact that the US is the economic superpower, has more money to spend on research, and simply has more people so more medical reserachers.
3) true for the few elite hospitals, but for the majority that do not have the resources to compete, they may well be less likely to update equipment because of cost. The drive to keep down costs may result in lower quality care.
But this is all theory. Any studies showing that US health care is significantly better than Canadian health care.
I know there are studies that have shown the US system is extremely inefficient in terms of administration costs compared to Canada. that's recognized in the states, but American politicians are willing to pay the higher cost in order to keep their higher freedom of choice (a choice that is really only available to the rich).
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