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ranskaldan
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Beijing ~ Singapore ~ Toronto ~ All hail to the new Rome
Sep 2001
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Originally posted by Chris 62
Why not?
It's what people do when they say the Mongols or England, isn't?
Why different standards?  |
Well I at least don't think that the Muslims, Mongols OR English are the biggest bastards around.
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The morally part is incorrect, the other two aern't, if you exclude the Byzantines, who certainly were Christians, so we see another generalization in the defense of Islam..
Between 700-1600 one Sultan after another persued a war of agression against the Balkans and the Byzantines, or doesn't that matter to you? |
It does.
But Europe was doing the same thing, which means we must look at other standards too.
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The thread is biggest bastards, not the good done by each society.
I can list impressive acchivments by any civ on the list, what would it prove? |
At least Muslim society tolerated the existence of such studies.
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Only by a blood tax, and in the balkans they siezed christian children to be brought up and serve as their Jannisaries, a true form of salvery.
Very enlightened. |
The Christians entered Jerusalem and slaughtered the city.
Very enlightened too.
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Best look at Spain again, seems some survived, as they did in the Balkans.  |
Note the time frame.
700-1600
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They also destroyed as much as they preserved, and the inverse is also true. |
The Christians, on the other hand, destroyed. period.
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Try again, nothing matches the spread of Islam from about 700 foward, where it was halted in france. |
The spread of Christianity from 1600 onwards was much more rapid than that.
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The Crusades wern't the "massive barbaric act" that revisionists try to paint them as, they were the culmination of at that time 4 centuries of hatred of Muslim aggression. |
By the same logic, Muslim terracts are the result of 4 centuries of hatred against Christian aggression.
But does that justify terracts? Of course not.
Therefore the Crusades were the "massive barbaric act".
And when did this become a comparison?
That statement is also false, BTW.
Sorry, but Muslim agression streches centuries, as I already shown, unless you deny events such as the siege of vienna in the 17th century, or the fall of Constantanople in 1453.
In other words sir, your talking out your backside. [/QUOTE]
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Chris 62
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But I'm feeling MUCH better now
Jan 2001
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Steele,
Your the first one to actually talk to me, not accuse me of something!
I find it amazing that people just have this total whitewash of Islam today.
Of course Christianity's history is sh1t, but Islam is no better, but actually far worse.
As for the Crusades, the Christains declared them whenever they had a surplus of trouble makers, but the early ones were a reaction to Islam putting intense tarriffs on travelers to Jerusalam, a religious extortion, so they responded in their normal barbarian way, ATTACK!
The population census is a matter of intense debate, but I was referring to American Indians, not Meso-american cultures.
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Chris 62
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But I'm feeling MUCH better now
Jan 2001
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Originally posted by ranskaldan
Well I at least don't think that the Muslims, Mongols OR English are the biggest bastards around. |
I'm annoyed by the "scared cow" attitude I see by posters toward the Islamic world, this seems a reflection of the modern era.
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It does.
But Europe was doing the same thing, which means we must look at other standards too. |
I stand by what i said, for pure human misery, look no further then those carring a cresent to battle, they brought wars of conquest to three coninents in a very short span.
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At least Muslim society tolerated the existence of such studies. |
Not all christan states disallowed such things.
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The Christians entered Jerusalem and slaughtered the city.
Very enlightened too. |
I never said these guys were sweatharts.
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Note the time frame.
700-1600 |
Actually, you can continue it foward, but they couldn't compete with Europe on a military bases from about 1600, but not from a lack of trying.
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The Christians, on the other hand, destroyed. period. |
Pure nonsense, a massive generalization.
Most of the preserved works of anciet Greeks comes from the Monisteris, not Muslims sources, and those monistaries were Christian.
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The spread of Christianity from 1600 onwards was much more rapid than that. |
Not a matter of spreading, outside of the americas it never really caught on in Asia or Africa.
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By the same logic, Muslim terracts are the result of 4 centuries of hatred against Christian aggression.
But does that justify terracts? Of course not.
Therefore the Crusades were the "massive barbaric act". |
T1t-for-tat semantics.
If you want who was first to attack, the honor falls to Islam.
I merely stated my opinion, and was bombarded with nonsense.
I'm called a bigot for my pick, what hypocracy! 
People should try to keep personal feelings out of such discussions, or don't waste my time. 
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Chris 62
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But I'm feeling MUCH better now
Jan 2001
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Originally posted by steelehc
Chris: You're welcome. I try not to attack someone for no reason unless they are generally being an ass. |
I agree, but I see it often, this thread is a perfect example.
Instead of discussion, I'm told I don't know what I'm talking about, because I dared to say Islam sucks.
Sorry boys and girls, it does.
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I think that the population of North America was at least a few million, but for the whjole of both continents, I think five million is an accurate figure.
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It very well could be, this is still a matter of wide debate, but even if true, it wouldn't hold up to the non-sense of western expansion vs events in the Mongol or Muslim world.
For short term Bastards, Europe wins hands down for the Nazis alone.
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ranskaldan
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Beijing ~ Singapore ~ Toronto ~ All hail to the new Rome
Sep 2001
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Originally posted by Chris 62
I agree, but I see it often, this thread is a perfect example.
Instead of discussion, I'm told I don't know what I'm talking about, because I dared to say Islam sucks.
Sorry boys and girls, it does.
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Actually, in many ways, it does.
But so does everyone else, for that matter.
I certainly wouldn't agree that they're the one who suck the most.
Every civ sucks at one point or another.
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Chris 62
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But I'm feeling MUCH better now
Jan 2001
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A quick look at the net via seach engine turns up some interesting facts.
It was put foward how "tolerant" islam is to other Religions living in an Islamic state.
Let's put an end to that, through Islamic law:
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1) Zimmis (non-Muslims) are not allowed to build new churches, temples, or synagogues. They are allowed to renovate old churches or houses of worship provided they do not allow to add any new construction. "Old churches" are those which existed prior to Islamic conquests and are included in a peace accord by Muslims. Construction of any church, temple, or synagogue in the Arab Peninsula (Saudi Arabia) is prohibited. It is the land of the Prophet and only Islam should prevail there. Yet, Muslims, if they wish, are permitted to demolish all non-Muslim houses of worship in any land they conquer.
2) Zimmis are not allowed to pray or read their sacred books out loud at home or in churches, lest Muslims hear their prayers.
3) Zimmis are not allowed to print their religious books or sell them in public places and markets. They are allowed to publish and sell them among their own people, in their churches and temples.
4) Zimmis are not allowed to install the cross on their houses or churches since it is a symbol of infidelity.
5) Zimmis are not permitted to broadcast or display their ceremonial religious rituals on radio or television or to use the media or to publish any picture of their religious ceremonies in newspaper and magazines.
6) Zimmis are not allowed to congregate in the streets during their religious festivals; rather, each must quietly make his way to his church or temple.
7) Zimmis are not allowed to join the army unless there is indispensable need for them in which case they are not allowed to assume leadership positions but are considered mercenaries. |
http://www.answering-islam.org/NonMuslims/rights.htm
The last time I looked, no such midieval restriction exist for Muslims in Christian states such as Britain, the USa, or other EU countries.
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Chris 62
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But I'm feeling MUCH better now
Jan 2001
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Dino, the people here needed a splash of water to the face, they got it into their heads that Islam is this happy place where all is good and everyone lives in peace and harmony, and that the rest of the world did all the damage.
I can give you tons of wrong doing from France, or Spain, Britain, the USA, you name it.
But for consistant militancy, cruelty, midievalism, barbarism, look no further then Islam.
The west grew up, and now enjoys many democracies and a fine standard of living.
Can we say the same for Islam?
France and Britain wern't at war with the world for most of their lives, but islam is and has been.
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