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Which Civ has been the biggest bunch of bastards? (Time out:0 days after 16-04-2002, 02:38)
Spain
England
America
Germany
China
Japan
Russia
Italy/Rome
Turkey
France
Portugal
Persia/Iran
Other (discuss in thread)
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Sikander is offline Sikander
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Boulder, Colorado, United Snakes of America
Jan 2000
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Islam is a religion, not a civilization. If the thread were about which religion has caused the most misery Chris would have a very good point, though his superior tone and insults would have gone a long way toward covering it up.

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Communist Party of Apolyton
Jan 2002
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Exactly what do you think happens daily here? Ooops thats just me being fooled by the Jew media I suppose.


There´s a difference between critizising the actions taken by the state of Israel and to criticize zionism and to say that all things bad is the jews fault.

If you can´t tell the difference between anti-zionism and anti-semitism, then that´s your problem

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Nov 2001
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The Aztecs are worst baby. They fought continous wars to capture prisoners that they sacrificed to their gods and ate afterwards.

Would have been fun if they would have discovered us first.

Islam is evil too, but they don't drink blood from their victims. Only jews do that occasionally.

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Oct 2000
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Originally posted by Kamrat X


There´s a difference between critizising the actions taken by the state of Israel and to criticize zionism and to say that all things bad is the jews fault.

If you can´t tell the difference between anti-zionism and anti-semitism, then that´s your problem


Actually I am aware that some here are against what Israel does and are not against the Jews in particular. But there are some here that fall for the myth of the jewish conspiracy. If it doesn't partain to you, then ignore it.

I'm not exactly thrilled with what the Israelies do, but I find it interesting that a lot of people seem to get selective in their condemnations when it comes to violence. Don't you agree Kamrat?

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Originally posted by WFHermans
The Aztecs are worst baby. They fought continous wars to capture prisoners that they sacrificed to their gods and ate afterwards.

Would have been fun if they would have discovered us first.

Islam is evil too, but they don't drink blood from their victims. Only jews do that occasionally.


Whose DL are you WTF? You are a poor troll anyway

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Originally posted by WFHermans
The Aztecs are worst baby. They fought continous wars to capture prisoners that they sacrificed to their gods and ate afterwards.


I would agree with you but they weren't around all that long. They were bastards their entire history but it was a short history.

Blood sacrifice wasn't the sole property of the Aztecs in the New World. It was quite popular throughout Central America and for a long time. The Aztec priests sacrificed their own blood as well as others. They were so nasty I don't feel the Spanish should be put down for wiping them out.

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Originally posted by Sprayber


Actually I am aware that some here are against what Israel does and are not against the Jews in particular. But there are some here that fall for the myth of the jewish conspiracy. If it doesn't partain to you, then ignore it.


You answered my post with that statement. What was I to think, huh?

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I'm not exactly thrilled with what the Israelies do, but I find it interesting that a lot of people seem to get selective in their condemnations when it comes to violence. Don't you agree Kamrat?


Yes, but this depends on which the position the the part that stands for the violence is in. I don´t defend the suicide bombings by palestinians, but I can understand why they´re doing it.

I don´t understand the violence by the IDF, since I think that the state of Israel is located in land stolen from the palestinians (and no I don´t care that the jews were there 2000 years ago...) and therefore an illegal state.

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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
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it wasn't stolen. It was bought.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kamrat X


You answered my post with that statement. What was I to think, huh?


yes i know. That last sarcastic remark should have been directed to another poster here. Sorry if you thought I was referring to you.



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Yes, but this depends on which the position the the part that stands for the violence is in. I don´t defend the suicide bombings by palestinians, but I can understand why they´re doing it.

I don´t understand the violence by the IDF, since I think that the state of Israel is located in land stolen from the palestinians (and no I don´t care that the jews were there 2000 years ago...) and therefore an illegal state.


I can understand why the Israelies do what they do. Even though it is counterproductive and most of the time they end up going after the wrong people.

I disagree that the Pal are the "legal" owners of the land, but threadjacking the worlds worst bastards thread won't make either of us change our minds. Violence from both sides prove one thing to me. Neither sides deserves peace. The land would be better adminisered by a third party since neither side is willing to live in peace.

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let the threadjacking go on.

who do you have in mind ? ( as the third party )

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Mar 2002
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it wasn't stolen. It was bought.


SOME of it was purchased. That is like saying the if someone bought enough land in the US they could unilaterly declare the area they PARTIALLY owned an new nation.

Israel is there NOW though so its time the rest of Middle East decided to deal with it.

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well , the US is a sovereign nation. Palestine never was.

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Mar 2002
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Originally posted by Dalgetti
well , the US is a sovereign nation. Palestine never was.


So what gave a minority of European refugees the right to decide who would be in charge?

There is no way to justify what happened in 1948. Just as there is no way justify conning some kid into blowing themselves up in a pizza shop.

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Originally posted by Chris 62
Ass-backwards history on your part, the crusades were an answer to Muslim agression.


Nop. Crusades was a way to bring more wealth to Western countries. No more.

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Zobo . no , that's no true. The crusades were no way to enrich the west. esp. when this area was among the poorest in the arab world.

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Nov 2001
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Guys,
Don’t take Chris to seriously. He is an easy target for brainwashing; people like him always need an image of enemy. For many years The Soviets were such enemy for him, he hated them and was very happy. But now, Soviets are gone and he invented new enemy for himself- Islam, and after that he feel happy again.
His statements about Islam sounds very strange, considering how many times in past he shouted about how he happy to live in perfect American society where all people have the same right and freedom and where all religions are equal.
But considering that he represent the country which is leader of this poll, there is nothing strange in his statements.

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If you really want to look at the atrocities that the West committed vs those committed by Islam, I would look at the problems that precipitated the Pax Dei & Treuga Dei movements, the cordon sanitaire Louis XIV tried to create on each of France's frontiers, etc.


Are you talking about Israel ? Oh France ! xuse me ...

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Serb: It's really weird hearing a russian defending Islam, esp. after what chechens have been doing to your soldiers .

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Jan 2000
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I wonder why no one who voted for America has the balls to make their case?

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But considering that he represent the country which is leader of this poll, there is nothing strange in his statements.


So the Europeans decided to pick on America instead of acknowledge their own crimes. Did you think the Spanish were going to admit to being the bastards they truly were? Or the Serbs.

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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
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Serb: It's really weird hearing a russian defending Islam, esp. after what chechens have been doing to your soldiers .


I'm not defending Islam and I don't need too. Islam is one of the World's major religions. And it is silly to think that Muslims are better then Christians or otherwise. They are not better or worse, they are just different.

Yes, Russia is Christian country mostly, we have more then 1000 years of Christianity as our major religion, but we've learned how to live peacefully with Islam, with respect to each other.

As for Chechnya, those bastards are not Muslims they are extremist and terrorists. They propaganded an extremal teaching known as "Vahhabism" it's the same teaching the Taliban propaganded. This teaching has nothing common with Islam. The Muslim leaders of Russia distanced from admiers of this teaching long ago, they said that people who acted like terrorist in Chechnya can not be called a Muslims, that those people are disgrace of Islam.

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It's funny that they share the ruthlessness with muslim groups around the world. and those are not vahhabite.

did you hear that statement by the main muslim leader of russia that said that russians must face the reality in which the country would have to recognize islam as the second religion in russia?

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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
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So the Europeans decided to pick on America instead of acknowledge their own crimes. Did you think the Spanish were going to admit to being the bastards they truly were? Or the Serbs.


No.
But anyway it's a stuipid and offending poll, I didn't voted.
Can you show me one, single nation who acted like saint during its history? I guess not, then how can you determinate wich one is the worse?

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It's funny that they share the ruthlessness with muslim groups around the world. and those are not vahhabite.

did you hear that statement by the main muslim leader of russia that said that russians must face the reality in which the country would have to recognize islam as the second religion in russia?


I don't know what's so funny you've found in my post.

As for second religion,
How can we make Islam a second official religion, if we don't have first?
By our laws Religions are separated from state, but "de facto" Islam always was the second religion in Russia.

Lisen I'm tired of this english. Can you read this:
×òî-òî ÿ íå âúåõàë â ïåðâûé àáçàö. ×òî îçíà÷àåò "ruthlessness", ÷òî-òî òèïà ñèìïàòèè èëè ïîääåðæêè? Åñëè äà, òî è Áåëûé äîì èì òîæå ñèìïàòèçèðîâàë, ïîêà òî÷íî òàêèå æå ðåáÿòà íå ñòàëè ðîíÿòü áîèíãè èì íà ãîëîâó.

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Can show me one, single nation who acted like saint during its history?


Andora? I hear there is really tiny one hiding somewhere in Italy(not the Vatican).


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I guess not, then how can you determinate wich one is the worse?


Body count for one. Thats why I voted for Russia. If unintentional death by disease counts than Spain earns it. If body count by a percentage counts Quean Ranavalona of Madagascars killed of half her countries population during her twenty year horror story of a rule but that was just one ruler not a procession of them.

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Andora? I hear there is really tiny one hiding somewhere in Italy(not the Vatican).


Do you know how many people live there and how old is this state?
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Body count for one. Thats why I voted for Russia. If unintentional death by disease counts than Spain earns it. If body count by a percentage counts Quean Ranavalona of Madagascars killed of half her countries population during her twenty year horror story of a rule but that was just one ruler not a procession of them.


Then again, how can you be sure about body counts. Different sides always have different figures for victims. And one more thing, one million of people in 20 century (when whole population of Earth was about six billion) it's not the same as one million in 15 century (when whole population of Earth was less then 1 billion).
And one more thing, what happen in Russia in 20 century is not of your consern, its our local Russian showdowns. You can't understand it.

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Dalgetti:
The crusades were not about the Holy Land...they were about extorting money from the Byzantines, at which they were very successful. The Holy Land was just a good excuse to wander through Byzantium (and con a bunch of zealot knights at the same time).
The Normans made a load out of Constantinople (until they trashed the place).

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Andora? I hear there is really tiny one hiding somewhere in Italy(not the Vatican).


Nop between France & Spain.

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He's thinking of San Marino, where the sheep come from...

 
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