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MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:18
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Originally posted by candidgamera
panang:
like to play on big worlds, but don't want to overpower the warrior too much in making him move faster to make exploration go a little faster. The "all terrain as roads" flag appears to be just like a scout unit in getting expansionist type, all positive results, landing on goodie huts. Would assume if I let explorers in at start, (moved them to astronomy, from navigation anyway), with 2 mp, all terrain as roads, this would only get worse. Have played several games where having this "expansionist" unit caused behavior is almost better than having "scientific" trait - the tech just comes so fast for free, especially with maxed-out sized continents. My current "balance" solution is to play with the middle option on continents - this means more islands, and keep warriors at 1MP, all terrain as roads. Its still all positive results so far, but better than all negative as before with just giving the warrior 2 mp, no all terrain as roads, and the islands act as firebreaks to getting tech too fast - and the worlds seem more interesting too. |
hi ,
 , in the place of making it more easy , why not make it more difficult , ...
give the editor a good look , it could really help to make a game more intresting , ...
have a nice day
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panag
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MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:18
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Originally posted by star mouse
The bug report was posted in a thread clearly titled "PATCH v1.21f bugs and issues", so it should be obvious what version I'm running. |
hi ,
its a sincere Q , because some people who post here still run an old patch , ....  , that is why the Q , just to make sure , .....
the walls with the capital , yep , it has been asked many times , but no-one has come up with an answer .
one person speculated that evey capital , automatically gets a defense bonus , but there has been no proof to that .
have a nice day
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Hacienda Heights
May 2002
time: 21:18
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OMG! 16 pages.... I read up to about page 11 and it's too much to read it all... So here are some of my gripes and problems I've seen/experianced with the game and my reasoning for the proposed fixes
I dont use any mods! I prefer to 'start new game' using the 1.21F patch Since I'm new to the game I've been 'epxerimenting' around with the large map and anywhere from 4 civs up. I have a P2 450 with 128MB and nVidia GForce MX 200 with 32MB and I just load the game from Win98 SE, nothing else running and have a Logictech scroll mouse
I'd like to see more diplomatic abilities!!!
Such as the ability to be able to cut off things like mutual protection without having to start a war!
From what I know, that is the only way to cut off any of the diplomatic agreements.
Does any 'real civ'['real country'] start wars to cut off diplomatic negoations with any other country? No
Another thing along these lines is that I've noticed that some times I wont be able to have access to some of the options in the diplomatic screen. Like I wont be given the option to make any type of diplomatic agreements with some civ's even though 'we' aren't at war with each other and technoclically they're about equal or greater than I am... And on top of that... I had previously made agreements with them... Is that a bug or are there certian things I've missed that could cause this during a game?
I'd also like to make some of the 'offensive' remarks to the AI's just like they do to me! lol
Science citizens in the city shouldn't make citizens unhappy!!!
They're expanding the science/growth/culture of the city, eventually improving the citizens way of life and therefore shouldn't make them unhappy! Maybe they shouldn't change the other citizens current status at all, unless by switching them over makes the food production drop below the requirement of 2 per population
I've also noticed that many times the AI will capture workers, but I wont be able to recapture them  Did the AI kill them? If that's true... Then how come I can't kill their workers instead of capturing them just like they seemingly do? 
Another thing that I really don't like is that I HAVE to closely monitor the work my citizens are doing in each city in order to maximize my production of what ever[ie: at times I'll want growth so I'll maximize food production, etc.] It makes me wonder if what I've been doing is effective or not? Did the program switch them after I ended the turn and started the calculations for the production? Or did it complete the calculations for the production run and then at the begining of the next turn, switch them to where it thinks they should be? Annoying to say the least. Near the 'middle game' and the 'end game' there comes a point where I have too many cities to do this. I'll set the workers where I want them because the Governer can't do it 'properly'. When the next turn comes around... They'll be back to where they were before... In the "Improper" place... This effects the game in that it will take longer to produce wonders/imporvements/units and such... Concidering that this is a long game... That in itself can have a deteremental effect on your winning or losing.
I'd prefer to have it set so that if I set the workers in one area of the city map... They should stay there when the next turn comes up. I've found that trying to use the city governer doesn't work for me, and that's why I have to do it manually I've also read that there are some problems with the governer's management too...
The book states that turning a citizen into a scientest "adds one to the raw science production"... My question is this... How many commertial 'units' equal "one raw science" point from the "city production' point of view?
For example: Say you have a citizen that could either work a square that only can produce one commertial 'point' and your aiming for 'science'. Is it worth it to have that civilian to work the square? Or is it more profitable to change that citizen to a scientest?
I'd like to know that because there are many times where I can't produce much in any given city square... I wonder if there's a benifit to having scientest as apposed to working for one shield or one food or such. In the begining and middle game... This can be critical!
I too experiance at times when the unit will just sit there and I do too... Waiting for the game to move on to the next unit for as much as 2 minutes... Sometimes I can select another unit when this happens... Sometimes not
I'd also like to see a tag on each units description So when the time comes, I could send them back to where they were born and disband them to hurry an improvement/unit/wonder
As for seeing two Leaders at once... I'd say not really. But I'm playing with the Romans a lot and have found in one of my most recent games where I got one leader one turn, then in the next turn I formed an Army with it, and in that turn I got another Leader So... Kind of two leaders at once.... Kind of I love those Leaders and always push my Elites up to the front lines for that very reason
I just hate it when the AI brings a settler and spearman over to MY Colony and builds a city next to it, thereby taking it They should know and understand that it's my territory... And in doing that, that it will and has ALWAYS caused me to declare war on any AI that does that... To me I think it's a bug because its MY Colony and MY Territory it's just like they've taken one of my cities. I think that should be fixed. "Do unto the AI as it does to you..." So I find myself sometimes doing it to them... *Sighs cause he's lowered himself to the AI's level.* But from what I've seen, they rarely make colonies...
I'll get around to reading the last 5 or so pages...
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I got a bug. I added an engineer unit to the game that had the abilities of a worker and a settler. I also added an oasis luxury resource that gives 2 food and 1 sheild. Whenever I build a city that is connected to the resource the game crashes. The game also now crashes whenever I build a city connected to a road.
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I'd like to see more diplomatic abilities!!!
Such as the ability to be able to cut off things like mutual protection without having to start a war!
From what I know, that is the only way to cut off any of the diplomatic agreements.
Does any 'real civ'['real country'] start wars to cut off diplomatic negoations with any other country? No
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-- You can do this. Look at the active agreements and click to bring it up, erase the agreement and it should give you a confirmation box. I may have the details wrong, and I think you have to wait until 20 turns have passed before you can do this. This is also how you can jack up the price on resources.
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Another thing along these lines is that I've noticed that some times I wont be able to have access to some of the options in the diplomatic screen. Like I wont be given the option to make any type of diplomatic agreements with some civ's even though 'we' aren't at war with each other and technoclically they're about equal or greater than I am... And on top of that... I had previously made agreements with them... Is that a bug or are there certian things I've missed that could cause this during a game?
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-- There's probably something else going on. Perhaps a war you didn't notice, or a pre-requisite (some agreements require certain techs). Wars wipe out previous agreements.
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'd also like to make some of the 'offensive' remarks to the AI's just like they do to me! lol
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-- Just make up your own phrasing for the demands! "Get out of my territory or declare war" is pretty offensive, and so is "Give me this or we'll kill you" .
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Science citizens in the city shouldn't make citizens unhappy!!!
They're expanding the science/growth/culture of the city, eventually improving the citizens way of life and therefore shouldn't make them unhappy! Maybe they shouldn't change the other citizens current status at all, unless by switching them over makes the food production drop below the requirement of 2 per population |
-- They don't make people unhappy, per se, but they stop being entertainers.
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I've also noticed that many times the AI will capture workers, but I wont be able to recapture them Did the AI kill them? If that's true... Then how come I can't kill their workers instead of capturing them just like they seemingly do?
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-- They're probably just disbanding them or putting them into cities.
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Another thing that I really don't like is that I HAVE to closely monitor the work my citizens are doing in each city in order to maximize my production of what ever[ie: at times I'll want growth so I'll maximize food production, etc.] |
-- Ahh, micromanagement. Figure out the governors if you don't want to do it yourself. I'd offer suggestions, but I picked "do it myself". The governor system is pretty complex and I get perverse enjoyment from micromanagement (must be the German blood).
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I'd like to know that because there are many times where I can't produce much in any given city square... I wonder if there's a benifit to having scientest as apposed to working for one shield or one food or such. In the begining and middle game... This can be critical! |
Usually, you want to keep them working the land. They make food and shields that way. Previous versions had a better return for specialists.
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In the game I'm playing now, I have several cities with 1 happy citizen and nothing in the luxury box. There are no entertainers and the luxury slider bar is zero. This happened all of a sudden when the Persians surprise attacked me and I declined to renew a luxury trade deal with the Chinese. Don't know why this should have an effect, but I can't explain these extra happy faces in oversea cities not connected by harbors or airports. Any ideas? I have saved games before and after if anyone wants to see them.
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Originally posted by playshogi
In the game I'm playing now, I have several cities with 1 happy citizen and nothing in the luxury box. There are no entertainers and the luxury slider bar is zero. This happened all of a sudden when the Persians surprise attacked me and I declined to renew a luxury trade deal with the Chinese. Don't know why this should have an effect, but I can't explain these extra happy faces in oversea cities not connected by harbors or airports. Any ideas? I have saved games before and after if anyone wants to see them. |
This is the upside of war weariness! Your people are rallying to the national cause in response to the surprise attack.
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playshogi
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You're right! It's in the manual, too. (Who reads that?) I was playing in Republic mode and after the war ended so did my extra happy faces.
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panag
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MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:18
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Originally posted by lorddread
So what does it mean? And how was the author? |
hi ,
1 , not words but deeds , 2 free the oppressed , 3 thruth and freedom , 4 Greek - "who dares wins"
who as used them , well , look on the net , .....
"author" , ....
, the book , well , ahem , they should have turned to Apolyton for the writing , and they should have looked here for "strategy" , ....
its best place for the moment is with the pile of paper that awaits "recycling" , .......
have a nice day
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lorddread
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Indianapolis, the Speed Capital of the World
Feb 2002
time: 23:18
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Originally posted by panag
hi ,
1 , not words but deeds , 2 free the oppressed , 3 thruth and freedom , 4 Greek - "who dares wins"
who as used them , well , look on the net , .....
"author" , ....
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I thought the last part was the author's name.
I cannot find any one person who is attributed to all 4 phrases. res, non verba seems to be attributed to Ceaser, but he the 4th phrase is in Greek, which would never have been something Ceaser would say. Several Roman Emperors were fond of Greek.
The author has stumped me. Congrats.
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panag
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MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:18
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Originally posted by lorddread
I thought the last part was the author's name.
I cannot find any one person who is attributed to all 4 phrases. res, non verba seems to be attributed to Ceaser, but he the 4th phrase is in Greek, which would never have been something Ceaser would say. Several Roman Emperors were fond of Greek.
The author has stumped me. Congrats. |
hi ,
the author of the civ3 books , or the author of the words , ...
well , not all great person's in history where Roman , ....
and yes the Romans did use it , it was on the shield of a small 2000 man force , ....
topic ;
there are more bugs , but not all the people post them here , maybe we should keep it all in one thread , ...
there are some problems with the advisor screen's , but when you reload it seems to be gone , ....anyone else , ...
so , what about the "captured worker" bug in the city screen , ....
have a nice day
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18-06-2002 21:30
and then went straight down towards their city. 
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