25-04-2002 19:00									#1
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The Cardinals backtracked from "zero tolerance" to two strikes and your out.

IMHO, this is completely unacceptable.

Ned

	25-04-2002 19:01									#2
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I saw that too. They will only go to the cops if they repeatedly abuse.

	25-04-2002 19:04									#3
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Another classic example of "NOT HAVING A CLUE"

	25-04-2002 19:42									#4
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True, but also another reason to let priests marry, unless you want all homosexual priests.

	25-04-2002 19:44									#5
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand True, but also another reason to let priests marry,

How do you arrive at that conclusion?

	25-04-2002 19:46									#6
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At least with marriage-minded priests, the likelihood of them also being gay and/or pediophiles would seem to be less. Not that the 2 are the same.

	25-04-2002 19:49									#7
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand At least with marriage-minded priests, the likelihood of them also being gay and/or pediophiles would seem to be less. Not that the 2 are the same.

Hmmm... so if they get married, they can have their own kids to abuse...

	25-04-2002 19:51									#8
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Nothing is a sure thing, Ming.

	25-04-2002 19:58									#9
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Complete abstinence for a lifetime just isn't natural. It's no wonder some of these guys go nuts.

	25-04-2002 20:00									#10
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quote: Originally posted by drake Complete abstinence for a lifetime just isn't natural.

Being a priest is hard. If they wanted an easy job, they should do themselves a favor and leave the Church.

	25-04-2002 20:01									#11
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True. They could always leave. Or turn protestant. Or reformed. Or Sunni!

	25-04-2002 20:03									#12
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It's utterly absurd that catholic priest can't marry. Any other religion allows its priests to marry. In the medieval ere, the pope had children and it shocked no one. The gallican priests (French variation of catholicism, not very spread even in France) swear they'll remain celibate, but not abstinent.

	25-04-2002 20:05									#13
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Well tell me Dino, from a logical point of view, how does having a wife or a lover prevent a priest from doing their job?

Sure would beat them molesting innocent little boys if you ask me.

	25-04-2002 20:05									#14
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They should be able to marry. Its ridiculous that celibate priests give young couples marriage counseling.

	25-04-2002 20:06									#15
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No ****.

	25-04-2002 20:10									#16
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It's a stupid rule... and has no foundation in the Bible or Jesus's teachings. It was implemented much later. In the old days... the first son was the heir to the fathers estate... the second son went into the priesthood... and any other sons usually went off to war to earn their own fame and fortune (the crusades were just an excuse to get rid of potentially troublesome sons)

By not allowing priests to marry... it solved the problem of the second son not having any children who could disrupt the claims of the children of the first son if he were to die before his father.

That isn't really a problem anymore

	25-04-2002 20:11									#17
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The celibacy rule wasnt implimented until a couple hundred years ago, correct?

	25-04-2002 20:11									#18
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My daughter was molested. She reported this to higher authority who did nothing. Next, a friend of hers was raped.

"Two strikes" does not protect children!

Ned

	25-04-2002 20:12									#19
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quote: Originally posted by drake Sure would beat them molesting innocent little boys if you ask me.

I'm still not sure how you people jump from dealing with pedofiles to calling for married priests. I don't see how one follows the other.

	25-04-2002 20:13									#20
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Being a priest is hard. If they wanted an easy job, they should do themselves a favor and leave the Church.

Are you Catholic, or do you just have unrelated and unnatural expectations of people and their jobs?

	25-04-2002 20:25									#21
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You don't see a relationship between forced abstinence and pedofelia Dino?

These people are human. Theyre not robots. All of those repressed feelings and desires need to come out somewhere. And that somewhere is often in the helpless children.

Its like the guys who turn to sex with other guys in prison. Were they gay before they went in? No. But years upon years without any sexual contact or intimacy is enough to drive anyone nuts. And so people turn to whats available to them.

I'm saying the guys that fondle little boys probably would never had these desires if they weren't in the situation they were in. Its an enviornment problem for them, not a genetic one.

	25-04-2002 20:26									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia The celibacy rule wasnt implimented until a couple hundred years ago, correct?

The legislation that effectively ended optional celibacy for priests came from the Second Lateran Council under Pope Innocent II in 1139.

	25-04-2002 20:32									#23
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quote: Originally posted by drake You don't see a relationship between forced abstinence and pedofelia Dino?

No, I don't. In light of the fact that the % of pedofile priests likely matches the % in the population at large, I don't see how that leap can be made.

quote: Its like the guys who turn to sex with other guys in prison. Were they gay before they went in? No.

Probably not. Starchild will also tell you that they aren't gay now either.

	25-04-2002 20:35									#24
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Wether abstinence encourages paedophilia or not, they should be allowed to marry. A religious institution should be doing all it can to promote one of our highest ideals - family life.

	25-04-2002 20:35									#25
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I should also note that married men can become priests. They are only bared from becoming bishops.

	25-04-2002 20:36									#26
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Well if they're not gay, the same argument could be used to say that the priests arent pedophiles!

quote: No, I don't. In light of the fact that the % of pedofile priests likely matches the % in the population at large, I don't see how that leap can be made.

Theres certainly no way to get this number, but I don't agree with that assumption at all.

	25-04-2002 20:41									#27
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc I should also note that married men can become priests. They are only bared from becoming bishops.

Married men can become priests?

	25-04-2002 20:46									#28
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quote: Originally posted by drake Well if they're not gay, the same argument could be used to say that the priests arent pedophiles!

Being gay isn't a mental disorder. Pedophilia is and I've seen no scientific research that states that it is caused by abstenence.

quote: Theres certainly no way to get this number, but I don't agree with that assumption at all.

Based on what?

	25-04-2002 20:47									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Married men can become priests?

That's what I just said.

	25-04-2002 20:48									#30
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc That's what I just said.

But if youre already a priest then you cant get married?