28-04-2002 23:19									#181
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Just a random note. All of the girls/women I know who started having sex at age 14 or younger, 12 in total, are all now (what people would consider to be) promiscuous. 9 of those 12 have also developed psychological problems over the years (not (directly) linked to their sexual activities). 8 out of those 12 have used pot. 11 out of those 12 have had sex with another woman. No idea what conclusions can be drawn from this, though I find it rather odd.

Sadly, I have no scientifically correct stats about this. I'd really like to know what exactly the effects can be from becoming sexually active at a young age.

	28-04-2002 23:23									#182
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Even if the place you refer to proves that there can be 14 year-olds who are as well-rounded as anyone, it doesn't make your earlier general statements that 14 year-olds are as developed as adults correct, Ozzy.

Coo, we both seem to know an awful lot about other peoples' sex lives, don't we Saint Marcus?

	28-04-2002 23:32									#183
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quote: Coo, we both seem to know an awful lot about other peoples' sex lives, don't we Saint Marcus?

Seems so

I actually really know quite a bit about many people's sex lives. No idea why really....

	28-04-2002 23:49									#184
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quote: Tingkai That's your definition. It is a subjective decision.

Its really not that subjective. Its a law arround here

quote: Or do you think all of your classmates at that time were capable of doing what you did?

Of course there is always some development diffrence, but I dont think it was that significant. If there is really the one or the other who is lacking in development behind the others, his parents have to take care of him. It just cant be right to pass a law to protect the minority while opressing the majority.

	29-04-2002 07:19									#185
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quote: Originally posted by Tom201 quote: Tingkai That's your definition. It is a subjective decision. Its really not that subjective. Its a law arround here quote: Or do you think all of your classmates at that time were capable of doing what you did? Of course there is always some development diffrence, but I dont think it was that significant. If there is really the one or the other who is lacking in development behind the others, his parents have to take care of him. It just cant be right to pass a law to protect the minority while opressing the majority.

Laws are subjective decisions that define right and wrong.

But the setting the age level at 16 would protect the majority.

I think you're making the mistake of assuming that since you were able to make wise decisions at 12 then all 12-year-olds can make wise decisions. I've done extensive volunteer work with hundreds of teenagers and I would say that it is not until 16 that we start to see adult behaviour in the majority of teenagers.

Another flaw in your logic is that you assume since the body is ready for sex then the mind must be ready.

Finally, let's say there is a law that says teenagers above 16 can have sex with whomever they want while those who are younger can legally have sex with a person who is within two years of their age.

This law does not "oppress" 14- to 15-years-olds because they merely have to wait two years at most before they can have sex. We're not denying them rights for a lifetime, just a few months.

And the majority of teenagers in this age bracket would not be inclined to have sex with adults.

As well, this type of law does not deny these young teenagers from having sex legally. It only sets temporary boundaries.

If we drop the age limit to 14, this really only makes it legal for predatory adults to have sex with young teenagers. Why should we make the law easier for them?

	29-04-2002 07:50									#186
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I suppose that most 14-years old children basically know what sex is about, as sex is everywhere on TV, in cinema, on Internet, in the books. So, I'm not comletely against letting 14-years old children having sex, bt with ppl as young as them.
21 year old people are much more experienced in the emotional field, while 14-year olds mostly haven't done their "teenage crisis" end learned how to deal with emotions as an adult. That's why 21 year olds can easily manipulate young teenagers, and cheat them into a reltionship the young wouldn't understand (like, she would believe in true love, while the old just wants to shog a bit)

	29-04-2002 11:50									#187
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A 14 year old has just recently entered sexual conscious, just recently gone through puberty. She is extremely inexperienced. Her body and mind are both changing, and do not have the same mental fitness and competency a 21-year old has.

Moreover, a 14 year old is still a child. She isn't ready yet to be an adult and be responsible for her own decisions. You can't transition straight from being an immature adolecent who has been in the middle school world to beign a full adult. There needs to be a transition period, guided by an adult. Until then the child simply does not have the right to do as they choose.

	29-04-2002 15:14									#188
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quote: Laws are subjective decisions that define right and wrong.

Ok, than objective Laws are by definition not possible, yes?

The thing about "we opress you only for a few years" is not really a good way to walk. As a teenager there were already other stupid laws in Germany for you (It is illegal in Germany to be on the street younger than 16 after 10pm, after 12pm younger than 18). Everyone knows such laws are rediculous, imo it is legitimate that noone obeys them.
Given that teenagers break such laws (including laws ruling their sex-live) anyways, it doesnt really teach the teenagers any respect for laws, which is a sad thing.

I general I dont really get the concept of Sex having negative Consequences other than pregnancy, which can easily be prevented.

	29-04-2002 15:54									#189
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quote: Originally posted by Tom201 The thing about "we opress you only for a few years" is not really a good way to walk. As a teenager there were already other stupid laws in Germany for you (It is illegal in Germany to be on the street younger than 16 after 10pm, after 12pm younger than 18). Everyone knows such laws are rediculous, imo it is legitimate that noone obeys them. Given that teenagers break such laws (including laws ruling their sex-live) anyways, it doesnt really teach the teenagers any respect for laws, which is a sad thing.

That's like arguing that we "oppress" young teenagers by denying them the right to drive until they are 16. Or that we "oppress" teenagers by forcing them to attend school. Or that we "oppress" them by denying them the right to vote.

	29-04-2002 15:58									#190
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That is diffrent, because you can reasonable explain such laws to everyone, the majority accepts them.
The Laws I wrote about it is the rule not the exception that they are broken (by most ppl.), and I can perfectly understand it.