28-04-2002 21:33									#151
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quote: Originally posted by Ming HA HA HA HA... another moronic statement... Any minor that wants to buy condoms can find them VERY EASILY. If they are afraid to buy them in a local drug store where they might feel "restrained", there are a million other places to get them. Again... no logic... no sense... just idiotic statements. Just further proof you have NO CLUE what you are talking about! But that is apparent by reading just about anything you have posted in this thread so far.

They can be purchased from vending machines in public restrooms.

	28-04-2002 21:33									#152
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quote: Originally posted by Tom201 quote: Again... not the point... Since you claimed adult with minor equals rape that would be rape just as well, no?

You can try all you want to change the discussion... But this discussion/thread is about a 14 year old and a 21 year old.
So... you don't have a point!

	28-04-2002 21:36									#153
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Remnind me that if I ever have the time and money to bring the kids to Europe tha I should avoid the Netherlands like the plague.

	28-04-2002 21:37									#154
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quote: Freedom of Speech isn't the Freedom to Rape Children... sorry.

I didnt...
Ming wants me to be locked up for what I am posting here.

quote: You can try all you want to change the discussion... But this discussion/thread is about a 14 year old and a 21 year old. So... you don't have a point!

You are avoiding the question

	28-04-2002 21:42									#155
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quote: Originally posted by Tom201 quote: Freedom of Speech isn't the Freedom to Rape Children... sorry. I didnt... Ming wants me to be locked up for what I am posting here.

He wants you locked up if you molest children. Do you? Anything under 18 applies, but if you were both under 18, it shouldn't be as severe a sentence.

BTW, you go to jail if you yell "BOMB" in an airport. Why? Because it is a threat to people's safety. Saying "I want to have sex with 14 year olds" is no different in my eyes. I wouldn't feel guilty at all about having you locked up.

	28-04-2002 21:43									#156
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quote: Originally posted by Tom201 quote: Freedom of Speech isn't the Freedom to Rape Children... sorry. I didnt... Ming wants me to be locked up for what I am posting here.

Not at all... I would want you locked up because IMHO you would be considered an unfit parent... anybody that would allow his 14 year old daughter to be raped by a 21 year old is just pure sick in the head.

Again... find me a women that would marry you if you told her that in advance...

	28-04-2002 21:45									#157
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Hey Ming, this guy's over at the NAMBLA thread advocating pedophilia. Would you kindly step over to the other thread and continue whomping him for me? I've go to go to work.

	28-04-2002 21:47									#158
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quote: He wants you locked up if you molest children. Do you? Anything under 18 applies, but if you were both under 18, it shouldn't be as severe a sentence.

I had a girlfriend once me 16 her 17, than after I went 17 she turned 18. Oh nooooo I was the victim of a child molest

	28-04-2002 21:48									#159
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Are you trolling or stupid?

	28-04-2002 21:50									#160
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quote: Originally posted by Triped Are you trolling or stupid?

He's probably both...



We will just have to ask him that question again when he grows up and has children of his own...

	28-04-2002 21:51									#161
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quote: Hey Ming, this guy's over at the NAMBLA thread advocating pedophilia. Would you kindly step over to the other thread and continue whomping him for me? I've go to go to work.

Year, lets get the mob and burn da house.
By the way Im not advocating pedophilia.

	28-04-2002 21:58									#162
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quote: Originally posted by Tom201 By the way Im not advocating pedophilia.

But you seem to see nothing wrong with it... because a 21 year old having sex with a 14 year old is just that. Heck, by your own words you would let somebody do it to your own daughter...
Pretty sick if you ask me...

	28-04-2002 22:03									#163
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Pedophilia is sex with someone not yet an adolescents (someone below the age of 12). 14 Doesnt fit in this definition

	28-04-2002 22:08									#164
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Not at all... I would want you locked up because IMHO you would be considered an unfit parent... anybody that would allow his 14 year old daughter to be raped by a 21 year old is just pure sick in the head. Again... find me a women that would marry you if you told her that in advance...

No one is advocating rape numbskull. We are talking about freely making decisions, no coercion involved whatsoever. Rape should never be allowed, but if you want to pork your wife I don't think the government should lock you up for it, regardless of your age.

	28-04-2002 22:09									#165
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quote: Originally posted by Tom201 Pedophilia is sex with someone not yet an adolescents (someone below the age of 12). 14 Doesnt fit in this definition

Hmmm... you are making another moronic assumption that all 14 year olds have reached adolescents... That is not the case. It takes longer in some people. Granted, most have... but you obviously are not a parent and have absolutely no experience with children with the exception of your own very limited experiences...

	28-04-2002 22:11									#166
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP No one is advocating rape numbskull. We are talking about freely making decisions, no coercion involved whatsoever.

Uhhhh... by the laws of the country you live in... it is rape, and that is exactly what he is advocating.

	28-04-2002 22:11									#167
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quote: Originally posted by Tom201 Pedophilia is sex with someone not yet an adolescents (someone below the age of 12). 14 Doesnt fit in this definition

Tom: That's your definition. It is a subjective decision.

One of the problems here is that you're trying to apply your state of mind at 12 to everyone's state of mind at that age. You sound like you're an acception to the rule. Advanced maturity at a young age. Or do you think all of your classmates at that time were capable of doing what you did?

	28-04-2002 22:12									#168
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quote: He wants you locked up if you molest children. Do you? Anything under 18 applies, but if you were both under 18, it shouldn't be as severe a sentence.

Wow, I started this thread about someone else having sex with a 14 year-old and I get someone saying any adult having sex with someone younger than 18 (presumably you apply this standard to everyone and noy just Tom, Sava), should be locked up, so, because I've had sex with a 17 year-old when I was 18, I should be locked up too. Isn't that a little extreme?!

Btw Ming, paedophilia only applies to the pre-pubescent. Most 14 year olds aren't pre-pubescent, so sex with a 14 year-old, especially one who is fully developed physically is not paedophilia. Just disgusting.

	28-04-2002 22:13									#169
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It's pedophilia by law, yes?

	28-04-2002 22:13									#170
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quote: Originally posted by Ming But you seem to see nothing wrong with it... because a 21 year old having sex with a 14 year old is just that. Heck, by your own words you would let somebody do it to your own daughter... Pretty sick if you ask me...

Sure if I could rule the world my daughters would all be nuns and never touch a man. Heck while we are at it, all supermodels would save themselves for me exclusively. Of course that is an immoral decision to make for an independent human being.

You have to step outside of your closed-minded view. Put yourself in the shoes of a parent 50 years ago, or even today. "by your own words you'd let your own son have faggot sex with another guy. Pretty sick if you ask me." The feelings you have now about a 14 and 21 year old are EXACTLY THE SAME as a homophobic person thinking about gay sex. You need to open your mind and realize that you are just as irrationally viewing this situation as a anti-gay person.

	28-04-2002 22:20									#171
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP You have to step outside of your closed-minded view. Put yourself in the shoes of a parent 50 years ago, or even today. "by your own words you'd let your own son have faggot sex with another guy. Pretty sick if you ask me." The feelings you have now about a 14 and 21 year old are EXACTLY THE SAME as a homophobic person thinking about gay sex. You need to open your mind and realize that you are just as irrationally viewing this situation as a anti-gay person.

Uhhh... please find where I have said any of what you claim I have. In addtion, it is not EXACTLY the same thing. A 14 year old girl having sex with a 21 year old male is against the law, while also being pretty sick. If a 21 year old male had sex with 14 year old male, that would be against the law too... And I would hope that in both cases, they would arrest the 21 year old and lock him up for a long time.

	28-04-2002 22:20									#172
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quote: It's pedophilia by law, yes?

Not by Dutch law or Canadian law, although American and possibly British law says so. Thus it is appropriate to ignore what the law has to say on the matter, because legal rulings are quite fluid, and can change from region to region (No one would be such a blockhead as to say screwing a 14 year-old is paedophilia in one country but not in another, would they?). Proper scientific definitions, such as to be a paedophile you have to find pre-pubescents attractive, are more apt here.

	28-04-2002 22:21									#173
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As far as I can tell, gays don't have a problem making decisions for themselves.

14-year-olds do. That's why such laws exist.

	28-04-2002 22:24									#174
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Uhhh... please find where I have said any of what you claim I have. In addtion, it is not EXACTLY the same thing. A 14 year old girl having sex with a 21 year old male is against the law, while also being pretty sick. If a 21 year old male had sex with 14 year old male, that would be against the law too... And I would hope that in both cases, they would arrest the 21 year old and lock him up for a long time.

You are distorting my words. I am saying that an anti-pedophile biggot would VIEW a relationship between a 14 year old girl and a 21 year old guy exactly the same as an anti-gay biggot would VIEW a relationship between a 30 year old guy and a 30 year old guy.

In many places both relationships are illlegal, so you can't use that out. The 30 year old homosexual relationship is illegal for mostly the same reason you want 14/21 relationship illegal, because it is thought of as "disgusting beyond belief" by closed-minded people.

	28-04-2002 22:29									#175
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quote: Originally posted by Triped As far as I can tell, gays don't have a problem making decisions for themselves. 14-year-olds do. That's why such laws exist.

This is just your opinion, and it is an irrational, biased opinion. Ask the opinion of some hate-mongering anti-gay southerner what they think of the rational capacity of a homosexual.

If you think a 14 year old doesn't know what sex is and what is involved in it then you are obviously have no concept of your average 14 year old.

My point, in case people have trouble with my wording is that the impression you all have that 14 year olds don't think rationally is WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG. They are just as emotionally, physically, intellectually developed as the rest of us. If you fail to see this your biggotry has colored your vision far beyond where a rational discussion can take place.

	28-04-2002 22:33									#176
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Unless I'm completely missing something, gay relationships and pedophile relationships (I guess that's what you call them) wouldn't be viewed as disgusting for the same reasons.

This 14-21 relationship doesn't strike me as wrong because a 14-year-old is having sex with a 21-year-old (as anti-gays would find a man having sex with a man wrong), it strikes me as wrong because the 14-year-old most likely does not know what she is doing, or what she's gotten into, or how to get out of it if necessary.

Anti-pedophile laws focus on protecting the minors, not restricting the pedophiles. They're not in place because we hate people like that, they're there because 14-year-olds just don't get it yet.

	28-04-2002 22:34									#177
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP They are just as emotionally, physically, intellectually developed as the rest of us. If you fail to see this your biggotry has colored your vision far beyond where a rational discussion can take place.

Talk about lack of rational thought... MOST EXPERTS would agree that a 14 year old girl is not as emotionally, physically, intellectually developed as an adult... so who is the one with colored vision here... It has NOTHING to do with biggorty... it's just COMMON SENSE!

	28-04-2002 22:41									#178
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, I'm starting to wonder if Ozzy has ever met a 14-year-old.

	28-04-2002 22:46									#179
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I know you all refuse to accept any views outside of your narrow box, but I once again implore you to go to www.tcs.ac. Join their mailing list, and ask your questions there.

This is a group of hundreds of PARENTS who raise their children non-coercively. Never doing something against their will and always respecting them as equal individuals. Guess what, when raised in an atmosphere of respect, tolerance and equality these young people even younger than 14 are no different emotionally, physically or intellectually than their parents would be. This is a FACT you can go ask any of these parents.

Of course you won't, no one has. I think I'm just about done with this discussion, you cling to your ignorance in the face of my attempts to give you the truth. There is no point in discussing this because you out right refuse to accept any view point that doesn't fit in to your narrow child hating view of the world.

	28-04-2002 22:59									#180
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP This is a group of hundreds of PARENTS who raise their children non-coercively. Never doing something against their will and always respecting them as equal individuals. Guess what, when raised in an atmosphere of respect, tolerance and equality these young people even younger than 14 are no different emotionally, physically or intellectually than their parents would be. This is a FACT you can go ask any of these parents.

Hmmmm... physically the same as their parents... Is that why they are still GROWING and developing at that age

Hmmmm... emotionally the same as their parents... Maybe you should ask doctors who have spent their lives studying it vs biased parents. You will find that 99% of them would disagree with your statement. But that's right, you would consider going outside and asking trained experts their opinion is probably narrow minded...

Hmmmm... intellectually... maybe if their parents believe the crap you are spouting, they just maybe as intellectual as their parents.

quote: I think I'm just about done with this discussion, you cling to your ignorance in the face of my attempts to give you the truth.

Bye... don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.
You are the one clinging to your ignorance. Let's see... THOUSANDS OF EXPERTS AGREE on this point, and you have hundreds of parents who agree... There are also hundreds of parents that don't believe in sending their kids to doctors...
Take your pick. I'll go with the people that are trained and knowledgable on the subject...