27-04-2002 12:03									#1
	PBEM Challenges Increase Your PM Length

Standard setup for PBEM challenges?


Suggestions:

Map size: Huge/gigantic
Difficulty: Emperor/deity
Barbs: Restless/raging
Earth world
Pollution On
Map:
Wet/dry 30% (position 4 on slider)
warm/cold 50%
Ocean/land 80%
Island/continent 80%
Uniform/diverse 100%
few/many goods 70%

Comments?

Until now, I have been challenged by C-Matrix. Accepted.

Who will be able to make map based on Mod Lite?

	27-04-2002 23:14									#2
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I'll play you bird, but online... You may want to get your revenge for what I am about to do to you in Happy Killers..... ..... Shame on you for attacking the peace loving Americans.....

	27-04-2002 23:25									#3
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Read dear Gav.

PBEM! Not MP.

If you insist, you have to wait until winter (or at least to the hottest time of summer).

Else I simply have too much work to do. I AM an IT-manager (that's true!) and my wife DO want the spare part of my time, cause there are always someone, who want to buy something..... And always just now!

That's why I normally play in the morning (05:30-07:00). No-one is sitting on my back that time of day (night).......

	27-04-2002 23:37									#4
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And one thing more.

I have seen some posts about premade maps.

NO premade maps for me. If you are going to claim yourself as one of the best, there IS NO BAD STARTING POSITION.

You should always be able to make the best out of nothing.

Personally, I have done this in Lung DM 3.2. - starting in ice and wood an wit a small river only. But I am not last.......

	28-04-2002 04:42									#5
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Bird I appreciate it is not easy to play online.... I always play random maps online.... I do not have the time for PBEM, but do have time for MP.... - I own and run a Property Development Business, but my offices are at home, so I can have periods of time when I can donate purely to CTP - BUT unfortunately not every day..... thus PBEM was a no go, and I had to drop my games.... One day we shall play!!

	28-04-2002 05:34									#6
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im back. suppose one of your joes has time to play? Ohh wait. this is not internet thead.

	28-04-2002 06:07									#7
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Hey Faded, you shaved your legs!

	28-04-2002 06:19									#8
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You like it too....hey she's on my desktop! She is my digi-mistress!

	28-04-2002 06:31									#9
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btw I shaved her legs

	29-04-2002 17:51									#10
	Re: PBEM Challenges Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

quote: Originally posted by TheBirdMan Standard setup for PBEM challenges? Suggestions: Map size: Huge/gigantic Difficulty: Emperor/deity Barbs: Restless/raging Earth world Pollution On Map: Wet/dry 30% (position 4 on slider) warm/cold 50% Ocean/land 80% Island/continent 80% Uniform/diverse 100% few/many goods 70% Comments? Until now, I have been challenged by C-Matrix. Accepted. Who will be able to make map based on Mod Lite?

I am very happy with those settings.

I fact, the only thing I am concerned about is the time we are going to spend playing that game (if gigantic map with water spots).
In the other hand, there will be more fun, so it’s all right.
I am not sure how many AI we shell have but the game will be definitely more interesting with more AI (especially on gigantic map).
I expect there will be at least one AI together with two Human players.
Perhaps we don’t have to play anything less then deity level if we want to give some chance to the AI.
I assume, the game isn’t for ranking so the details don’t really matter.

BirdMan, if the map will be random then the easiest way to start it is, if you just create that map and play first

I’ll be happy to play any settings as far as you don’t kill me on the first turn (If we play with MOD LITE) and my start location is not absolutely hopeless.

I doubt, if some body would like to moderate this game, but it would be definitely appreciated.

	30-04-2002 13:52									#11
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Test game played (10 turn) with 2 AI's on PBEM mod Lite.

Test: Ok.

C-Matrix: Your nationality and E-mail pls. Then I am ready.

	30-04-2002 16:17									#12
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quote: Originally posted by TheBirdMan Test game played (10 turn) with 2 AI's on PBEM mod Lite. Test: Ok. C-Matrix: Your nationality and E-mail pls. Then I am ready.

BirdMan,
I just sent to you my email address, now may the Best Man win!

	30-04-2002 19:58									#13
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Turn 0 to C-Matrix

	01-05-2002 20:12									#14
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Turn 1 played.
The Mayans had a great start in The Magic region of the famous Gold Snow Mountains. The day was bright and full with hope for the future.

	02-05-2002 14:35									#15
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I challenge either/or BerXpert, Blackice, or Birdman to a one-on-one PBEM game using the Birdman settings above. (I have a little time now if any of you are up to it.)

BerXpert -- revenge is mine!

Blackice -- revenge is yours.

Birdman -- What is revenge anyway?

	02-05-2002 18:41									#16
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Hey Quinns . So nice to see you posting here again

	02-05-2002 22:04									#17
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Thanks Solver!

Oh... and I challenge Lung Lunger Luland too. He's pretty good, I hear.

Birdman, I will mediate your PBEM challenge match with C-MATRIX if you like.

	03-05-2002 15:10									#18
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Quinns,
I don't know if you are ready for a challenge from "The Unknown
Dimension", but if you fill strong enough to play against The First Three, then you won't afraid of a game with me.

In this way you can moderate our game too.

	03-05-2002 15:58									#19
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C-Matrix, thanks. Sounds good to me. I accept the challenge. I'll start it up if you like. I'll be the Chinese. What country do you want to be?

Here are the settings (per Birdman with some slight modifications -- we can make these standard to PBEM Challenges if you all agree)...

Map size: Huge
Difficulty: Emperor
Barbs: Raging Hordes
Earth World
Bloodlust Off
Pollution On
Number of Civilizations 4
(2 Human Players, 2 Computer Players)
Map:
Wet/dry 50%
warm/cold 50%
Ocean/land 50%
Island/continent 50%
Uniform/diverse 50%
few/many goods 50%
One Settler (default)
100 Gold (default)

And, C-Matrix, just because I am "strong" (or stupid) enough to challenge the top three doesn't mean I am any good at CTP ... it just means I am one arrogant SOB!

	03-05-2002 17:40									#20
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Quinns likewise I agree it is good to see you here and posting... whatever our past disputes may have been, the forums are a lesser place without you here.

	03-05-2002 18:59									#21
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I suppose I can forget about our past Gavrushka. I never did understand our dispute anyway. Thanks for the words of welcome.

	03-05-2002 19:57									#22
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Quinns,
I am happy with any suggested settings!

But to make particular set a "standard" is a demanding task.
At least the target of the game should be clear.
For a 1 on 1 game the settings should be maximized for decreasing the number of turns (what means, we don't need a rough terrain soccer field to play box).
Your settings are even 3 to 4 times slower then those we have with The BirdMan, but if you like them it is all right.

I get the feeling you like water sports. (Just be aware of the sharks)

So if you are ready with the map we can start.
ps (ignore maps with Human start from small "prison" islands)
(I play Mayan usually)

	04-05-2002 00:31									#23
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Okay C-Matrix. Great! Thanks for accepting our settings (I don't think we will get any prison islands with 50% land, but okay). You are right about setting the standard with these settings. Players can agree to whatever they like for their challenge.

What is your e-mail address C-Matrix? I will set it up. You can e-mail me at quinn2084@yahoo.com if you don't want to make it public.

	04-05-2002 01:08									#24
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I like the idea of these PBEM Challenges Birdman! How about these "first draft" rules for these matches? (I must like rules or something -- one screwed up individual am I ...)

These would apply to all players that engage in CTP PBEM Challenge Matches...

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1. No Cheating (-- this goes without saying, really). This means:
a) No looking at the opponent's turns;
b) No tricks or intentional bug uses (like rush buying and removing from queue, to name one);
c) Anything else that is obvious cheating.
Some of these can be enforced by the moderator and some can't. Just be honest, no problems then.

2. Players should keep all their turns for the entire match. If the game is disputed, the moderator can look turn by turn, if necessary, to see if any cheating occured.

3. No help from other CTP players is allowed during a match.

4. Any one found cheating will be permanently banned from CTP PBEM Challenges.

5. A match must run for at least 10 turns for it to become an official challenge match.

6. Automatic Victory. After the 20 turn mark, any player with a Power Graph 4 times that of their opponent automatically wins the match . If disputed, the final turn is emailed to the moderator for verification.

7. Courtesy 24 hour rule. Players will try to play and send their turn within 24 hours from receipt of turn.

8. Automatic Forfeit. If a player fails to send a turn within one week or more from receipt date, one warning is sent by the moderator. If no response is received within one week from then, the game is considered a win for the opposing player, (if the match is over 10 turns old, otherwise the match is not counted at all).
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If enough people participate in these matches, I may record and post results (this would be much easier than calculating the CTP PBEM Ratings because there are only two individuals involved in each match).

Last edited by quinns on 04-05-2002 at 01:22

	04-05-2002 08:32									#25
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Very good start Quinns!

I admire people who use logic to solve the problems or analyze other opinions.
Anything other is subjective and just transforms the problem into a rolling snowball with the time.

And every standard should be the merge of opinions and votes from all players who would like to participate.
Otherwise there won't be many people to use those standards.

	04-05-2002 15:53									#26
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Quinns, excellent! Now I see you're *really* back. We could now fire up a third ratings system, the CtP Challenges one, or?

	04-05-2002 20:41									#27
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C-Matrix -- You're right. Of course these "suggested" rules are just that. Any opinions to changes are welcome! I always like to just start out with the best guess at the rules I can make... and then let people shoot holes in them or improve them as they will. At least it gives us a target to shoot at. I found that this is the most efficient way of coming to a compromise -- Start with SOMETHING, then agree or disagree, add or delete.

Solver -- Great idea (again)! I was hoping you would see it that way... I was thinking the name of it should be "CTP PBEM Challenge Ratings" to differentiate it from the other two ratings system and to be explicit about it being PBEM One-on-One matches, and not Internet matches, (just as Birdman suggested in the first place). Maybe it will get as popular as the other rankings systems that Blackice and Gavrushka are running. Maybe not.

By the way, I don't think these matches will take nearly as long as the multiple player PBEM matches. One-on-One PBEM matches can go very fast and many can be finished in 2 to 4 months, especially with the Automatic Victory rule mentioned above. (If this still seems too long to some players, then start many Challenge PBEM matches at once, it will keep you plenty busy! )

Quinns Says Hello!

	04-05-2002 20:55									#28
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Dunno if exactly that popular, but I'm so incredibly happy that the ratings I invented are now humming along so well . There's nothing I did, but it was my idea .

	05-05-2002 20:09									#29
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Right Solver. Maybe not that popular... But maybe PBEM Challenges will be popular with those of us who have another life outside of CTP. Internet CTP games are great but require much, much time.

	05-05-2002 20:11									#30
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What do you mean, quinns? There's life outside Apolyton, eh?

Nah, I'll be happy to do something for the community, yet again!