01-06-2002 00:40									#271
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Here is the "abridged" version of the COMP2B printable map. It contains only a large view of one of the major land masses (roughly 1/4 of the map) and a strategic view of the entire map in the bottom left . It works for me. I haven't seen any ideas on getting the whole map for printing... so this will do for now. See attached.

Attachment: ctp_comp2b_map.zip
This has been downloaded 6 time(s).

	02-06-2002 00:27									#272
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Ok another rule I think will help all players in getting over the "cheat" senerio. All players must load and install "nameloop"
This program works. In auto save every turn for both players will be saved period. Toss it in and try it...

Attachment: nameloop.zip
This has been downloaded 3 time(s).

	02-06-2002 04:56									#273
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This competition just became totally meaningless to me - various emails from various people show that people 'know' that other people are cheats - this is like last summer all over again - the idea of a fun competition has gone totally out of the window - I am taking no part in this competition other than to leave the prize money intact . What a total and utter farce - CTP in case people have forgotten is a leisure pursute .

	02-06-2002 05:15									#274
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I'm starting to a get a weird Dalí vibe about this tourney

Gav,

forget about the whole thing and send me the prize money for ol' time's sake

	02-06-2002 05:39									#275
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It's a shame Gav that this whole thing has soured. From my own experience, I'm almost to the point of not enjoying CTP again... which is rude. I think this tournament should go ahead. Everyone who originally signed up should play and let the best person win. After all, with every game being checked with a microscope, I seriously doubt anyone will have the balls to try and break the rules through loopholes and/or cheats. For that matter, anyone who may be in doubt gets a chance in the tournament to prove themselves.

	02-06-2002 07:14									#276
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Ah, the hell with rules!! Who needs them anyway. If you have the skills in software and the ctp game, then the best man should win. The last soul standing after a no holds barred ctp deathmatch wins the 1000 pieces of beautiful cash. Just give us the map, let us tear it to shreds, and play it to the last settler, even if there are an endless supply to be summoned at command. First person to cheat in a few stacks of space fighters and drop them on the opposing settlers wins. Who needs to win, just figure out a way to crash your opponents computer and claim yourself the victor. How about this, we start the map with 250 cities each, and so many units that we couldn't possible bring another in the game without crashing the entire server.
Hehe. Sounds like fun to me.

That is why I just play for fun, (excepting the possiblility to rake in $1K , in the beginning of the game, I usually state that I am peaceful, and no cheating, and if they do cheat, or make war on me in renaisance or sometime before I am ready, who cares, I tell them they can just walk through my civilization and thanks for wasting my time. What is the point of playing a game if it isn't for fun? If they just want a victory(for what? prestige....? who cares?) and if they just go for the win, and do anything they have to to win, including cheating, yeah, great, thanks for wasting all of our time because that game was worthless. We can not safeguard against it, people are stupid and will do it no matter what. I will not waste my time checking saves just to make sure some poor insecure fool isn't doing his best to look good in a game he sucks at. Whatever. Glad I do not have to deal with it for some time. Have fun while I am gone.

	02-06-2002 07:40									#277
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Best of luck Pat kick some butt

	02-06-2002 21:42									#278
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In light of all the recent discussion about cheating and who might or might not cheat... along with the requirement for exhaustive game audits to check for possible cheating... I propose the following to Gavrushka, the tournament funder...

Send all prize money to the winner's choice of charity.

In the rare event that I win , I would like the proceeds to go to the New York City Fireman's Fund for the September 11 victims.

Anyone else think this is a good idea?

	02-06-2002 22:11									#279
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What a superb idea.... perhaps if this is agreeable to all, I would be delighted to send a money order made payable to the winners charity .

	02-06-2002 23:17									#280
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Supporting this.

	03-06-2002 19:37									#281
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hi people, you could add me to your players' list for tournament.
im looking forward to play this...

	03-06-2002 19:54									#282
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Sorry El Sordo, but not. We have closed entry several weeks ago; now we're just striving to precise the rules (finally!).

	03-06-2002 19:57									#283
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I think we are agreed with the rules now, and the map. Time to finalize the player list, nothing else. Gotta get it from somehwere, will anyone compile it?

Gavrushka, I must ask you to change your mind and take part in this. You are one of the best players. As for those cheating accusations, it's not farce... it's just rubbish. Forget it. Get over it. We know noone here is cheating, except for C-Matrix who isn't here. So please play.

	03-06-2002 21:24									#284
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Is there going to be a schedule of who plays who or is it up to us to "get the games in"?

	03-06-2002 21:49									#285
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I think we need a schedule, maybe not precise, but at least an approximate one so that people know when do they play.

	04-06-2002 14:04									#286
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You probably should allow each player to have more than one game going at a time, since due to past experiences,some people will not meet up again for a couple of weeks at time

	04-06-2002 17:27									#287
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quote: Originally posted by Solver I think we are agreed with the rules now, and the map. Time to finalize the player list, nothing else. Gotta get it from somehwere, will anyone compile it? Gavrushka, I must ask you to change your mind and take part in this. You are one of the best players. As for those cheating accusations, it's not farce... it's just rubbish. Forget it. Get over it. We know noone here is cheating, except for C-Matrix who isn't here. So please play.

I think a lot of us got very disillusioned by what appeared to be an attempt to Hijack the competition - and of course I would be delighted to be included.

I noticed that other people have asked to play, I also notice that other people have made an attempt to enforce rules - Solver is in ABSOLUTE charge of this competition - the time for debate is over - It now just remains to start a list of players, and start gaming - I think that it will be a case of playing several games at once though due to time contraints and time zone differences. Next Saturday I propose to play Quinns at 15:00 London time -

I think that certain players who have asked to play need to post to reaffirm their commitment to this competition .

	04-06-2002 18:52									#288
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Gavrushka, I accept. We are playing on the comp2b map right? With all the above settings from Solver. Okay. Saturday, 8-JUN-2002, 15:00 London Time in NL Server. I'll be there.

	04-06-2002 19:28									#289
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Yeah, those setting, and finally let us know how the map plays... if it's OK, then GO!!!

	04-06-2002 19:57									#290
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Okay Solver. Thanks. We'll let you know how the map goes. But many of us have already tested the COMP2B map and it works fine. I think it is okay for the other players to start up too. There was a list published already of 13 of the players in the League. Is that the official list of players? If so, could you re-publish it? Because everyone has to play everyone else one time, I don't think it matters the order. I believe the League Players should just pair up on their own for the first round or two. What do you think Solver?

	04-06-2002 20:00									#291
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I still need to see the list of those players... and then we get off with groups and such.

Also need Gav's feedback here. Gav!

	05-06-2002 01:45									#292
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I suggest a new thread where those players who have been invited reaffirm their commitment (and Solver keeps it on-topic) - this thread is not the right place. That way we'll have an easy reference. Possibly the players should take the opportunity to supply their preffered methods of contact (e-mail, messaging, etc.) for organising games there too.

	05-06-2002 18:00									#293
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Agreed with your, Jbtw. Moreover, rules have already been specified.

	06-06-2002 20:09									#294
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Still looking for moderators for the Tourney.

Great opportunity here people to see some of the best in the world play this game. You will have a unique opportunity to study thier technics close up, turn by turn. Don't miss this it may never happen again