07-05-2002 17:48									#181
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Germany doesn't, at least not in any form of power or at least spotlight nowadays...

	07-05-2002 18:02									#182
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For those who didn't know yet: the Dutch elections will go ahead on May 15th.
The Lijst Pim Fortuyn is certain to become the biggest party in parliament.

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	07-05-2002 18:04									#183
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you're joking...?

	07-05-2002 18:05									#184
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I just read it.
I'm pretty afraid this is going to be a LANDSLIDE..
So what do we get? A government of people with hardly any political experience? Whoopeee!

	07-05-2002 18:06									#185
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excellent all we need now is Germany getting a right wing government and we're open for business

	07-05-2002 18:10									#186
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Who the hell will be our president?
The no. 2 on the Lijst Pim Fortuyn is a 27-year old businessman from Cape Verde (?). He's got no political background whatsoever....
Every now and then it's bad to be Dutch.

	07-05-2002 18:11									#187
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Maybe it would be a good idea just to postpone the elections for just a little while. (to cool things down)

	07-05-2002 18:13									#188
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quote: Originally posted by Dr. Stiby I just read it. I'm pretty afraid this is going to be a LANDSLIDE.. So what do we get? A government of people with hardly any political experience? Whoopeee!

Maybe for the first time in twenty years we will have an open debate on the subject of immigration. Maybe this taboo, imposed on us by the leftish parties (which I voted for nonetheless), will be lifted. Maybe the demonization of people who think differently about immigration will stop. Maybe the Dutch media will stop making propaganda and distorting the truth. If all of this happens, Pim Fortuyn may not have died in vain.

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	07-05-2002 18:14									#189
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Postpone elections would probably heat things up. Fortuyn supporters know that his party is now in the peak of its power. Postponing by, let's say a month, will lead a lot of voters to overcome emotions and vote for the established parties. The last thing Fortuyn supporters want is another social democrat as prime minister!

	07-05-2002 18:16									#190
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quote: Originally posted by Dr. Stiby There's some more information about the murderer of Fortuyn. It was just released that he's a member of a moderate environmental activist group, apart from being a married father. The link between environmental activism and Fortuyn is very unclear.

Was Fortuyn vocally anti-environmentalist?

	07-05-2002 18:18									#191
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quote: Originally posted by Dr. Stiby Postponing by, let's say a month, will lead a lot of voters to overcome emotions and vote for the established parties.

That's exactly the idea!


(BTW I'm all for an open discussion about immigration. And I am anti-immigration, yes I have no problem whatsoever saying it, why should I? Greece had had 1.4 millions of immigrands in just 7 years - the most rapid influx in Europe).

If there is open discussion in a calm serious manner then we would not have these "extremes" surfacing in our political life.

	07-05-2002 18:19									#192
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While I don't share his opinions, I send my sympathies.

It was the front page story on the local Chicago paper this morning (including) a picture. (contrary to popular belief, local papers in the US do cover international news_

RAH

	07-05-2002 18:19									#193
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 I suspect Greece will soon have one of these people too.

cool, finally someone will clean omonia square in athens. it was a disgrace.

quote: A government of people with hardly any political experience? Whoopeee!

well we all have to start with something in our CV. Montenegro's President Milo Djukanovic went straight from law school to become a prime minister (but then again, that country is a joke)

quote: The no. 2 on the Lijst Pim Fortuyn is a 27-year old businessman from Cape Verde (?). He's got no political background whatsoever....

cool, perhaps he won't behave like a sleazy corrupt son of a b!tch. and he can appoint cesaria evora as a culture minister

	07-05-2002 18:21									#194
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quote: Originally posted by Dr. Stiby Postpone elections would probably heat things up. Fortuyn supporters know that his party is now in the peak of its power. Postponing by, let's say a month, will lead a lot of voters to overcome emotions and vote for the established parties.

disorder! anarchy! argh! hjeheeeee! down with the system! RATM!

	07-05-2002 18:22									#195
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quote: Originally posted by LaRusso cool, finally someone will clean omonia square in athens. it was a disgrace.

It was, yes.

I don't know what was worst:

1. The drug addicts

or

2. The immigrants (which are a shame to the state for not attending to their needs).

It is "cleaned" now. But some druggies do go there.

	07-05-2002 18:24									#196
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 2. The immigrants (which are a shame to the state for not attending to their needs).

last time i checked there were tons of albanians.

	07-05-2002 18:26									#197
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quote: Maybe for the first time in twenty years we will have an open debate on the subject of immigration. Maybe this taboo, imposed on us by the leftish parties (which I voted for nonetheless), will be lifted. Maybe the demonization of people who think differently about immigration will stop. Maybe the Dutch media will stop making propaganda and distorting the truth. If all of this happens, Pim Fortuyn may not have died in vain.

I'm pretty sure his death will not be in vain. It's hard to imagine nothing will change in Holland now. There is a large group of very unhappy people out there who will be very critical towards the established parties. As for the political parties, I'm not concerned that immigration will be an openly-debated issue. As for the media, I have no idea wether they will change.

quote: Was Fortuyn vocally anti-environmentalist?

Nope.

	07-05-2002 18:28									#198
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quote: Originally posted by LaRusso last time i checked there were tons of albanians.

when was that?

true it was full of albanians and other people.

Now it is reformed though. (there are works being done there).

The times I've passed by it (the last week) the benches are mostly empty. (but there are druggies still).

	07-05-2002 18:29									#199
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BTW next time you come to Greece LaRusso let me now, I'll treat you to some Ouzo and mezedes

	07-05-2002 18:37									#200
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quote: The no. 2 on the Lijst Pim Fortuyn is a 27-year old businessman from Cape Verde (?). He's got no political background whatsoever....

We'd get a young, black, athlete and economist as our prime minister. How bizarre is that?

Can you imagine him being next to other world leaders after being introduced as Prime Minister of the Netherlands? It will be a riot!

[troll]And despite having a far smaller black population here, we'd still get a black PM/president before the US does [/troll]

	07-05-2002 18:39									#201
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I was already trying to imagine Fortuyn meeting Bush and telling him what a nice butt he...
well, never mind.

	07-05-2002 18:40									#202
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uh 5 yrs ago, i cannot really arse recently to apply for a visa, your consulate in belgrade randomly refuses 10% of the people who pay for tourist packages. i loved to hop around the islands....i was more than 20 times in greece.
anyway, might be pretty soon. orthodox brotherhood, mizotakis malakian and all that. panathenaikos european champion, etc. etc.
is KKE still alive and kicking? placating athens with posters of turkish atrocities on kurds?

	07-05-2002 18:44									#203
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quote: Originally posted by LaRusso uh 5 yrs ago, i cannot really arse recently to apply for a visa, your consulate in belgrade randomly refuses 10% of the people who pay for tourist packages.

HUH! You need a VISA to come to Greece??????????????

quote: i loved to hop around the islands....

Who doesn't

quote: anyway, might be pretty soon. orthodox brotherhood, mizotakis malakian and all that. panathenaikos european champion, etc. etc.

Exactly the things that bind us together

quote: is KKE still alive and kicking? placating athens with posters of turkish atrocities on kurds?

KKE is the communist party. You must be refering to the Kurdish party (do they have the same initials??? hmm I forget)
Oh, yes they are still alive and kicking
When Ocalan was caught they burned themselves in front of the Greek parliement.

	07-05-2002 18:47									#204
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The elections will go on as planned.

	07-05-2002 18:51									#205
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 HUH! You need a VISA to come to Greece?????????????? KKE is the communist party. You must be refering to the Kurdish party (do they have the same initials??? hmm I forget) Oh, yes they are still alive and kicking When Ocalan was caught they burned themselves in front of the Greek parliement.

yes, we always needed a visa. except that it is now very hard to get.
yes, i meant the communist. i remember they had some anti turkish posters too

	07-05-2002 18:58									#206
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quote: Originally posted by LaRusso yes, we always needed a visa. except that it is now very hard to get.

well I guess some people at the government still want to desperately prove that something is indeed working in the state machine

quote: yes, i meant the communist. i remember they had some anti turkish posters too

Hmm, I suppose they do. They are a funny blend indeed. communism (the old fashioned way) and nationalism all in one

	07-05-2002 19:09									#207
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Here's a link to a column written by Fortuyns murderer. For those of you unfortunate enough not to speak Dutch , it gives me the impression of a very concerned animal activist. Still doesn't make things any clearer to me.

	07-05-2002 19:54									#208
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Guess the French were right in using the military to stop Greenpeace. See what enviromental activists are capable of.

	07-05-2002 19:56									#209
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus Guess the French were right in using the military to stop Greenpeace. See what enviromental activists are capable of.

Is this event pushing you to the right, Mark?

	07-05-2002 20:21									#210
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quote: Originally posted by Dr. Stiby I was already trying to imagine Fortuyn meeting Bush and telling him what a nice butt he... well, never mind.

Would Pim, with his poor command of English, have chosen the correct translation of "kont"? -

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