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Oldenbarnevelt
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in the Dutch swamps
Sep 2001
time: 06:19
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Originally posted by Ned
What is he opera about so that we can understand the issue better?
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I haven't seen it 
Here's a quotation in English that I found on the WWW:
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...an opera entitled Aisha and the Women of Medina, after Assia Djebar's novel Loin de Médine, scheduled as one of the 'intercultural' performances that would offer a special flavour to Rotterdam as this year's cultural capital of Europe. The Moroccan artists had withdrawn under the pressure of certain Muslim circles that considered this play, staged around one of Prophet Muhammad's wives, unacceptable. One of the local Muslim leaders who, in a subsequent public debate, opposed the performance was Khalil El Moumni, the Moroccan imam of the Al Nasr mosque in Rotterdam. |
This is from the Washington Post, Dec 11, 2000.
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The Dutch directors of a musical about one of the wives of Islam's Prophet Muhammad are baffled by threats that led the entire Muslim cast to walk out and cancel the show.
Rehearsals had been scheduled to begin last week for ''Aisha and the Women of Medina,'' the highlight of next year's European Cultural Capital festival in Rotterdam.
But the eight Arabic-speaking singers, actors and a composer from Morocco abruptly withdrew late last month, Gerda Roest of the Onafhankelijk Toneel production company said Monday.
'We still don't know exactly what happened,'' she said. ''All we know is that a fax was sent from unknown persons in Rotterdam to a newspaper and the prime minister in Morocco ... which warned the cast: 'If you do this you'll have the same fate as Salman Rushdie.'''
Dutch media suggested the fax came from a local Muslim group. Roest declined to speculate on its source.
In withdrawing, cast members sent their own fax to the show's director, Gerrit Timmers, which ended with the words: ''Fear reigns over here.''
Islam forbids fictional or artistic representations of its 7th century prophet, his family or disciples. Dozens of literary works deemed blasphemous have been banned in Muslim countries because they depict figures in the Quran, the Muslim holy book. |
You may have noticed that the novel on which the opera is based was written by an Arab woman.
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Hueij
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Kokonino Kounty
May 1999
time: 06:19
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Originally posted by Oldenbarnevelt
Some information for non-Dutch readers.
In the interview, Fortuyn declared that he wanted to do away with the "ridiculous" article 1 of the Dutch constitution, the so-called anti-discrimination article. His political opponents Melkert and De Graaf (and to a lesser extent Rosenmöller) seized the opportunity to make it seem as if Fortuyn wanted to make light of racial and other discrimination. However, his point was that articles 1 and 7 (about the freedom of religion) were mutually contradictory: the right to make derogatory remarks about homosexuals was defended by some Muslims and Christians referring to article 7. Fortuyn rightly didn't have much respect for an anti-discrimination article which could easily be evaded in the case of discrimination of homosexuals by religious bigots.
Article 1 is very new, it was introduced in our constitution as late as 1984 or so. It is, of course, not part of our criminal code. If article 1 was cancelled it would only be missed as a symbol; in practice, charges of racial or other discrimination are dealt with in our penal laws.
Now, the same Melkert and De Graaf said they are in favour of postponing the elections. Why doesn't that surprise me?
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Wrong... Article one is the most precious one of our Constitution, and Fortuyn didn't question that one for nothing. Nothing but good about the dead but he had some questionable opinions about other religions...
And that's all he had, opinions. In all these months I haven't heard one single solution..
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Dr Strangelove
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Whatever you Dutch do now, guard the suspect's life closely. Don't let any penny ante bar owning hoods packing heat near him. If a political suicide is a major trauma to a nation's psyche, imagine having the perpetrator die before the reason for his heinous act becomes known
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Dr Strangelove
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Originally posted by Oldenbarnevelt
Good warning! Here, in Dutchbat country, we are naive enough to let that happen.
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Well, it's not like Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't surrounded by the entire Dallas police force when Jack Ruby shot him, they just didn't expect it from someone they knew.
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Rufus T. Firefly
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is one way of saying it, though I prefer "mensch"
Sep 2000
time: 07:19
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
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Huey Long. Malcolm X. McKinley. Theodore Roosevelt (attempt.) Franklin Roosevelt (attempt.) Gerald Ford (attempt.) |
Ok, Huey... Malcolm was shot? McKinley is over 100 years. Roosevelt, ok.
FDR and Ford?!  |
Ford TWICE! Once by Squeaky Fromme (the Manson family figure Stefu mentions) and once by Sarah Jane Moore a Missouri (I think) housewife. How's that for bizarre?
The attempt on FDR's life actually killed the mayor of Chicago, Anton Cermak. There are conspiracy theorists who contend that Cermak was the target all along (these were the days of Al Capone, after all).
Also, Puerto Rican nationalists attempted to kill Harry Truman when he was living at Blair House while the White House was being renovated. I think this one stands as the only attempt on a Prez with something other than a gun (they had knives, IIRC). Edit: Actually, they may have been trying to kidnap him, not kill him. Now I'm not sure.
Finally, Nobody seems to have mentioned Bobby Kennedy (edit: yes they did; I missed it) or the attempt on George Wallace. That brings the total to 11, or 12 if you count Ford twice.
Last edited by Rufus T. Firefly on 07-05-2002 at 11:40
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LaRusso
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appendix of Europe
May 2001
time: 06:19
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Originally posted by Oldenbarnevelt
I have no time for any anti-democratic, anti-secular influences. I do not want to compromise with Muslims or anyone else on the equality of men and women, hetero- and homosexuals, the freedom of speech and opinion and other Western values.
As far as I'm concerned, all cultural influences are welcome, as long as they don't threaten in any way the principles of the secular, democratic, constitutional state. The countries that you mention do not form such a threat.
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amen
that is why i enjoyed netherlands and dutch way of life
it is perfectly legitimate to say 'we will decide who will immigrate'. netherlands has no obligation to solve welfare problems of the world. why he was branded 'extreme right', i do not know. i reckon its time for some postmodernist political brands instead of the old horseshoe system. i mean, he was gay and for MJ legalization. how right wing is THAT?
troll part: i expect some mass rallies in france in support of dutch democracy, against violence, etc. etc.
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Bereta_Eder
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He was a "weird" apple.
Definitely not right wing as traditionally right wingers go...
He was not "conservative".
One thing that I see is underlining every such personality (like Le Pen too) in Europe these days is that they are all anti-immigration.
I suspect Greece will soon have one of these people too.
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Bereta_Eder
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BTW I don't think it was a "political assassination". This is so "pasee" now in Europe.
Maybe it was some crazy man who took the whole thing too seriously. Just a ordinary criminal personality which used it as an excuse to do what he/she did.
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