07-05-2002 20:28									#211
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I don't know if you guys caught the bit about the opera, but the performers were given death threats by muslims in order that they not perform the opera. I am amazed that the folks here can talk about Pim being the threat to violence in Holland. Pim, after all, was killed. Ned

	07-05-2002 20:29									#212
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus [troll]And despite having a far smaller black population here, we'd still get a black PM/president before the US does [/troll]

Yeah and it only took one assassination to make it possible. Way to go Netherlands! [/sarcasm]

On a side note, how many people would have to die for Colin Powell to be President? I think it is four (President, Vice President, President Pro Tempore, and Speaker of the House) but I'm not really sure.

	07-05-2002 20:39									#213
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well about 20 m rednecks too

	07-05-2002 20:43									#214
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If rednecks are what is needed, America will have a black president in no time!

	07-05-2002 20:53									#215
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I'm sorry for making a comment that almost nobody will understand and most Finns will find either in bad taste or irrelevant, but in any case, a song lyric:

Joku ampui poliitikkoa!
Joku on ampunut kansan johtajaa!
Nyt kansa on yksin.
Kuka oli se, joka ampui?
Kuka se jota ammuttiin?
On niin
niin kylmää ja sameaa,
aurinkoa ei näy,
karhea tuuli kirveltää...
Osuiko pääministeriin
vai osuiko itse presidenttiin,
kenet poissaolevaksi kirjattiin?
Kuka oli se, joka ampui?
Kuka se, jota ammuttiin?
On niin
savuista ja sekavaa
aurinkoa ei näy,
karhea tuuli kirveltää...
Enää ei tarvita
Eugenia tai Lee Harveyta
kun poliitikot mittaavat
poliitikkoja, ja johtavat
vetävät toisiaan nopeammin
ja nyt huomataan:
tämä on tyly puhe.
Tämä on tylyä puhetta!
Ovesta syöksyy
poliitikko pistooli kädessä:
"Nyt en enää kuuntele!
Nyt se on loppu!
Nyt ei enää neuvotella,
nyt se on loppu!
Nyt minä tapan!
Reikä päähän!
Raato maahan!"
Tämä on tylyä puhetta.
Ja illalla kotona
Äiti syleilee poikaansa,
vaihdetaan puhdas solmio ja paita,
syödään voiton piiraita.
Enää ei tarvita
Eugenia tai Lee Harveyta:
poliitikon kuudesti laukeava
puhuu tylyä puhetta.
Oppositio nuolee haavojaan:
sihteeri on menetetty, ja
on kuultu puhuttavan ,
että pääministeri
ei kävele enää koskaan.

	07-05-2002 21:05									#216
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Mikäs pirun biisi tuo nyt oli?

	07-05-2002 21:05									#217
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uhm...yeah.

quote: Is this event pushing you to the right, Mark?

me and millions of other dutchmen.


(not conservative right)

	07-05-2002 21:18									#218
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quote: Originally posted by LightEning I'm sorry for making a comment that almost nobody will understand and most Finns will find either in bad taste or irrelevant, but in any case, a song lyric: (...)

This is not much of a recommendation...

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	07-05-2002 22:01									#219
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quote: Originally posted by Stefu Malcolm X was shot, wasn't he? About McKinley, you said "last century", and I think it happened in 1900-2000. Some deranged-type character tried to shoot FDR before his 1933 inauguration, I believe, and Ford's shooting by some fomer member of Manson's family, don't remember the details.

It took a Finn to remember Ford

quote: GERALD FORD may have begun national healing after the Watergate scandal, but that didn't stop two different women from taking potshots at him. On 5 September 1975, Charles Manson devotee Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme waited for Ford outside a Sacramento, California hotel and pulled a Colt .45 just as he reached to shake her hand. Fromme pulled the trigger but the loaded gun didn't fire -- she had neglected to put a round in the chamber. Secret Servicemen tackled her before she could fire a second time. Fromme was sentenced to life in prison. Barely two weeks later, on September 22 in San Francisco, 45-year-old Sara Jane Moore yanked a pistol from her purse and fired on Ford from a distance of about 10 meters. She missed, in part due to a bystander who jostled her arm. She, too, was sentenced to life in prison. Ford was unharmed but also was unseated by Jimmy Carter in the 1976 elections.

	07-05-2002 22:24									#220
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus uhm...yeah. quote: Is this event pushing you to the right, Mark? me and millions of other dutchmen. (not conservative right)

Amazing how little it takes...

I dont see any reason why I (or anyone else) should change any believes, just cose some maniac kills Fortuyn

	07-05-2002 23:15									#221
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I think that for the next election we will see a swing to the right (i.e. LPF will win a landslide victory), but in the long run I agree with Tom, I don't think many people will change their ideology over this, that's silly. I certainly won't/haven't: so far I've always voted either D66 or GroenLinks and this event certainly won't change this.

	07-05-2002 23:23									#222
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Has there been anything in the news yet about why this man shot Fortuyn? He's been in custody overnight now, so surely he's been thoroughly questioned.

	07-05-2002 23:24									#223
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maybe he doesn;t know either.

	07-05-2002 23:25									#224
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 maybe he doesn;t know either.

Then he should be able to plead insanity.

	07-05-2002 23:25									#225
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He's still not talking...

	07-05-2002 23:26									#226
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AFAIK he as refused to make any statement yet and remains silent. At least that is, what was reportet in the news.

	07-05-2002 23:27									#227
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Then he should be able to plead insanity.

I'm quite positive he is insane. (or suffers dire psychological problems).

Since it is almost impossible to have been a political assassination, this is the only answer.

But I think he has to prove that he didn;t know what he was doing was bad blah blah blah

in worst case scenario out in 10 years. (maybe?)

	07-05-2002 23:29									#228
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus I think that for the next election we will see a swing to the right (i.e. LPF will win a landslide victory), but in the long run I agree with Tom, I don't think many people will change their ideology over this, that's silly. I certainly won't/haven't: so far I've always voted either D66 or GroenLinks and this event certainly won't change this.

My vote, this time, will not go to any party that demonized Fortuyn.

That is, PvdA, D66, and GroenLinks.

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	07-05-2002 23:34									#229
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Conspiracy theoris are already spreading around...
Since there is no chance he had political goals of his own:
- the killer was paid by Leftists (obvious reasons)
- OBL paid him.
- the killer was paid by the 2. man in fortuyns party (after the Martyrer Death of Fortuyn, his Party gets most of the votes. No. 2 gets PM).

hm, or maybe it was just some maniac.

	07-05-2002 23:38									#230
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I heard on news that killer, who was an animal rights activists, killed Fortuyn because he loved furs. Anything about that?

It just sounds bit too goddamn silly, you know?

	07-05-2002 23:41									#231
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Demonization my @ss. Fortuyn said controversial things, 'established' politicians responded - sometimes controversially. Just a few minutes ago they repeated some old quotes of Fortuyn on TV, one of them struck me particularly: it was along the lines of "Melkert lies and cheats whenever it's convenient". Geez, I wonder why Melkert wasn't always positive about Fortuyn...

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quote: Originally posted by Locutus He's still not talking...

But I heard that he confessed. So he confessed to the act, but won't discuss his reasons?

	07-05-2002 23:55									#233
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I haven't heard anything about him confessing and I just checked all major Dutch news sources to make sure. It must have been a rumour rather than a fact.

	08-05-2002 00:04									#234
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A little background on the suspect: He's a 32 year old white man from a small town in the middle of our country and had a wife and +/- 3 month old kid. He worked for an animal rights organisation (of which the core activity was sueing companies who are cruel to animals or pollute the environment) and recently complained he was getting overworked. According to a collegue he was hardly interested in politics and wasn't ultra-left or anything of the kind. He's by everyone who knew him described as overall 'a nice guy'...

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	08-05-2002 00:37									#236
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If you would ask some german politicians today they would certainly blame some FPS for the murder

	08-05-2002 03:35									#237
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Was Fortuyn vocally anti-environmentalist?

Not vocally. But his party program is the most anti-environmentalist of them all. Despite this, I would not have voted for him and still won't.

The only Dutch politician who wanted to build new nuclear plants, and they shot him

	08-05-2002 21:11									#238
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quote: A little background on the suspect: He's a 32 year old white man from a small town in the middle of our country and had a wife and +/- 3 month old kid. He worked for an animal rights organisation (of which the core activity was sueing companies who are cruel to animals or pollute the environment) and recently complained he was getting overworked. According to a collegue he was hardly interested in politics and wasn't ultra-left or anything of the kind. He's by everyone who knew him described as overall 'a nice guy'...

This pretty much sums it up. The guy certainly wasn't a radical. I won't be surprised if someone did pay him. I doubt it's the mainstream left, but it could be the extreme left or some fundamentalist muslims (though this really isn't their style). Those were the two groups that hated Fortuyn most. Some muslims were even celebrating in the streets after the shooting. sick.

	08-05-2002 21:32									#239
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quote: Some muslims were even celebrating in the streets after the shooting. sick

Yeah some did, and some got their ass kicked BAD by guys like me.

I was looking forward to the UEFA cup final tonight but Pim's death by some left wing idiot really takes the fun out of it.

I hope Feyenoord wins tonight or we can see a long night of riots in Rotterdam tonight, together with the murder this could get verry nasty, people are ****ed up enough as it is right now.

One of the best politicians Holland ever produced has died and will be missed by millions, even if they (like me) wouldnt have voted for him.

	08-05-2002 22:25									#240
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus This pretty much sums it up. The guy certainly wasn't a radical. I won't be surprised if someone did pay him. I doubt it's the mainstream left, but it could be the extreme left or some fundamentalist muslims (though this really isn't their style). Those were the two groups that hated Fortuyn most. Some muslims were even celebrating in the streets after the shooting. sick.

The guy who stood next to Fortuyn when he was shot (Ruud de Wild) has not been heard by the police so far. Can you believe that?

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