10-05-2002 16:51									#1
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You have just been elected President of the US or EU (depending on which you fancy) .. you plan to conquer the evil US/EU (delete as applicable) .. where do you start ?? what would be your overall plan ??

Assume also that any Nuclear strike would receive instant response .. so conventional only.. state your major targets, points for troop invasions etc ..

Its your turn to truelly show the other side of the pond, who's boss

Sorry for war mongering .. I just wondered if your all meglomaniacs like myself

	10-05-2002 16:54									#2
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Good luck, either way.

If I were the U.S., I would use our bountiful supply of cruise missiles until it was possible to land without taking heavy losses.

I'm not really sure what Europe has that we don't, and vice versa, so it's probably not a good thing I'm not in charge.

But with countries/continents of this size, it's pretty much impossible to really conquer them, unless somebody really lost the ball.

	10-05-2002 17:08									#3
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For Europe to invade the US, several things are needed.

1. Time to build up the EUs defence forces.
2. Time to improve sea and airport facilities in Iceland and Greenland.
3. Getting Canada to form an alliance with the EU against the US.

In other words, unlikely.

Though if this all should happen, it may be possible to tranport troops and material from the EU (via Iceland and Greenland) to Canada, and from there invade the Mid West.

All in all, close to impossible

For the US to invade the EU it's just as impossible.

1. the US will need to build up it's forces (since they are vastly outnumbered).
2. They have to get Russia to join the US in an alliance against the EU.

All just as unlikely.

	10-05-2002 17:10									#4
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Ohh of course, in reality, there would be no reason for us to ever fight .. but I guess its like brothers wondering what they would do if an enemy the same size attacked ..

If I was the US, id go for UK/Germany .. simply cos they are the economic powers of the EU .. After trashing as much industry in Germany, and Commerce in the UK , id land my troops on mass in the UK .. simply cos, they have the most profesional army, the people speak the same language and will be easier to control/win over .. and you could install a conservative government who'd support your war on Europe

From there, you have a base ready to attack the rest of Europe..

As for the EU attacking the US .. well your faced with two sides of the fence .. East and West coast .. as Europe is off the East coast, this seems the most likely place to go .. destroy any naval installations along the east coast, take Panama to delay the West coast fleets , and hit New England and surrounding area's hard .. Land seperate troop divisions in Canada, Florida and pinser Washington DC

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quote: If I were the U.S., I would use our bountiful supply of cruise missiles until it was possible to land without taking heavy losses.

Any idea how big the EU is? This isn't Iraq you know

	10-05-2002 17:16									#6
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That's true...this is of course assuming we kick missile production into high gear before all of this starts.

Seriously though, they are a great weapon. They're a b!tch to spot, they're pretty good at doing damage, and we don't lose any men by sending them in.

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quote: If I was the US, id go for UK/Germany .. simply cos they are the economic powers of the EU .. After trashing as much industry in Germany, and Commerce in the UK , id land my troops on mass in the UK .. simply cos, they have the most profesional army, the people speak the same language and will be easier to control/win over .. and you could install a conservative government who'd support your war on Europe

And how exactly would you even be able to come close to Germany? Do you even know where Germany is?

	10-05-2002 17:21									#8
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quote: That's true...this is of course assuming we kick missile production into high gear before all of this starts. Seriously though, they are a great weapon. They're a b!tch to spot, they're pretty good at doing damage, and we don't lose any men by sending them in.

And is there a reason why Europe wouldn't do the exact same thing? And how would you hit places in, say, Austria?

And you still don't understand how BIG the EU is. Even with 10 times the number of cruise missiles you have now, it wouldn't make a significant impact. You will need to send aircraft and troops in yourself to make a real difference.

	10-05-2002 17:26									#9
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I don't believe Europe is at our level of missile technology, and with a R&D focus on the war, probably never would be.

I do understand how big Europe is, but I think that missile barrages aimed at critical military targets would definitely make things easier on our troops, even though there are so many targets.

I believe our navy is more than capable of bringing the missiles to Austria, particularly our submarines.

	10-05-2002 17:31									#10
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quote: Originally posted by The Viceroy You have just been elected President of the US or EU (depending on which you fancy) .. you plan to conquer the evil US/EU (delete as applicable) .. where do you start ?? what would be your overall plan ??

We already invaded the US - with Mercedes, VW and BMW. But those evil Americans had a combined Hollywood-Microprose-Hamburger defense, so our attack was broken up. Finally we made peace, and agreed to place peacekeepers in each country. The German force consists of VW New Beetle armoured cars, while the Americans send Win XP Packages to Germany to control our communications...

	10-05-2002 17:32									#11
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McDonald's was beaten by Burger King though, and thats not American.

So Europe wins, once again

	10-05-2002 17:39									#12
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quote: I don't believe Europe is at our level of missile technology, and with a R&D focus on the war, probably never would be.

Smart weapons only help to avoid collatoral damage. In military terms, carpet bombing is much more effective. And in such a war as this it will be needed. Also, Europe does have cruise missiles.

quote: I do understand how big Europe is, but I think that missile barrages aimed at critical military targets would definitely make things easier on our troops, even though there are so many targets.

Considering the size of the EU, it would hardly make an impact on a big scale. It may help locally though.

quote: I believe our navy is more than capable of bringing the missiles to Austria, particularly our submarines.

Any idea how far Austria is from the coast? Or how about south Germany?

And also note that the Americans won't have access to the mediterian, and not the North Sea and Baltic either. So from where exactly do you want to launch Cruise Missiles headed for Austria or south Germany?

	10-05-2002 17:40									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion So Europe wins, once again

Once again? I do not exactly recall when we won the first time...

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I'm doing a Boddington's

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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion I'm doing a Boddington's

	10-05-2002 17:43									#16
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What a great idea.... alpine submarines

	10-05-2002 17:46									#17
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quote: And how exactly would you even be able to come close to Germany? Do you even know where Germany is?

Hmmm statements like that just make you look silly .. calm down, stop ranting.. and return to the light hearted thread, and tell us your plans .. if you have none, and you think its immposible .. wuppie for you .. go elsewhere.

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quote: McDonald's was beaten by Burger King though, and thats not American.

What country is Buger King from then?

quote: What a great idea.... alpine submarines

my point exactly

	10-05-2002 17:52									#19
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quote: Hmmm statements like that just make you look silly .. calm down, stop ranting.. and return to the light hearted thread, and tell us your plans .. if you have none, and you think its immposible .. wuppie for you .. go elsewhere.

Statement like that make me look silly? LOL. How old are you kid?

Ok, let me spell it out for you. You say you'll go after Germany first. So in other words, you'll have to pass Britain, move into the North Sea, make an amphibious landing in the small German north sea coast, and then move south to destroy Germany's production centres. During this time being heavily bombarded by all of Europe's airforces, and severaly outnumbered on every front. The American carries there in the north sea only carry F-14s and F-18s, while the European airforces have Typhoons, Rafales and Gripens, and in higher numbers as well. And how on earth will the US manage to ship enough forces to germany to defeat that country?

What a joke. Go back to school kid.

	10-05-2002 17:55									#20
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If they come for us... I'll be there

	10-05-2002 17:59									#21
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Land in France. They'll surrender before our landing ships even leave the docks. After that, it'll be a cinch

	10-05-2002 18:05									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus What country is Bugger King from then?

Its British I think -- owned by Grand Met.

Oh, and its Burger King - not Bugger King

	10-05-2002 18:11									#23
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Saint Marcus .


I think you have miss understood my term "Going after" .. I was just wanting to start the conversation off ..

I would use missiles !!!!! lots of them... I was not talking about an amphibious assault .. that would come after the UK fell .. (I kept the detail low to start the ball rolling)

Look, im not interested in name calling between us .. You were a little insulting/arragant, asking if I knew where Germany was .. instead, if you think something sounds unbelievable .. simply ask a person if they meant ... x,y,z .. rather than assuming your geography skills are superior .. no need to start slagging them off before they have even defended there reasoning.

	10-05-2002 18:13									#24
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quote: Oh, and its Burger King - not Bugger King

To me it's bugger king.

	10-05-2002 18:14									#25
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If i'd have to invade US, i'd try to allie with Canada, so we could use their land. But seriously I'd build a massive themeparks, they would be free of charge for soldiers one day. There would be lots of mcdonalds and stuff like that. They would blow up at the same time. Yep.

As for invading Europe, I'd just send the whole army and put up a fight like in ww2, but let Finland be alone, because they're nasty MFs.

	10-05-2002 18:16									#26
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Well if the US can invade Austria with submarines, I think it is only fair that the EU should be allowed to invade Colorado with subs too....

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Invading the US?

Three monkeys, three typewriters.

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quote: I would use missiles !!!!! lots of them

On Germany? Any idea of the size of Germany? Any idea how far the south of germany is from the sea? Any idea how many targets there are in Germany? You could never take on Germany with missiles alone, unless you use nukes.

Of course, you'd probably use subs to attack Munich

	10-05-2002 18:24									#29
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Attacking Germany with missiles alone, attacking Austria with subs.

Sounds like some people have been playing too much civ.

	10-05-2002 18:29									#30
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Don't stare too much at relative strength.
France and the low countries (supported by a large Brit force) were taken by Germany in a couple of weeks, a Germany with far fewer troops and inferior weapons. Germany then proceeded to take half the European part of Russia.
Germany had superior battle tactics and highly motivated soldiers backed by her citizens.

US take EU: Divide and conquer.
Use Hollywood, trade negotiations and local independence movements to weaken the bond between the nations. Secretely support terrorist groups, extremist parties. Try to start rebellions. Support these, however small they might be. At one point, offer either to help a national government with troops to quell evil rebels or to help a rebel group to stop the genocide against them by the evil state. Install puppet generals as presidents with US advisors by their side. Repeat.
Hey, that's what you did in South America!

EU take US: Isolate and strangle
Easier to break, I think, but far worse to control.
The US is already pretty isolated, no real friends left. Current US policy would be easy to exploit, point out that the US never respects UN resolutions, never signs human rights conventions, puts her own economic growth before the global environment any day. Use the US trade barriers against her, restrict trade with her, to enforce an economic slump. US' main strength is economy, her best weapon is growth. Even a global slump will hit the US more than any other nation. Ignore her. With luck, you'll have a Roman Empire-style implosion of power. See to it that you are there to support the new local authorities.

That said, I see no reason why either US or EU woul invade each other. Invasions of large landmasses are so old-fashioned. What would be the gain for your nation in holding another continent?

C.