11-05-2002 03:29									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Tom201 Than all the arabien world will of course also site with the EU (Anti-US anyways + relatives in Europe from immigration)

The Arabian world hates the West (That includes the EU. :cute. I would think that they would sit back and watch the fireworks and tkae on the winner.

	11-05-2002 03:30									#92
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Oui maleuresement Je fais beaucoup d'erreurs idiotes.

Ce qui c'passe c'est que quand on ne patique pas la langue du tout, on oublie de tad des choses...

	11-05-2002 03:36									#93
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quote: The Arabian world hates the West (That includes the EU. :cute.

that's a joke right? France for one has very good relations with the Arab(/north african) world (Iraq, Algeria, Morroco, etc).

	11-05-2002 03:37									#94
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and Greece with Iran, Palestine, Lebanon and Syria.

	11-05-2002 03:38									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus that's a joke right?

No, it isn't. for the most part.

	11-05-2002 03:39									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus that's a joke right? France for one has very good relations with the Arab(/north african) world (Iraq, Algeria, Morroco, etc).

Mmh...
That's right we've got very good relations with a bunch of African and Arab countries, but you still ended by citing two (Algeria and Iraq) which are among the few we have tense relations with

	11-05-2002 03:39									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus Any idea how much industry, transport and comm facilities, and powerstations Germany has? And how far they are spread apart? Any idea how long it will take to take out Germany's industrial capabilities with missiles alone, and how many missiles it will take? And any idea on exactly where you'll fire the missiles from? Hint: you can't fire them from the North Sea or Baltic because it will be too heavily defended.

Well, I just finished reading a rather interesting book on the Luftwaffe, which included some notes on Germany's production throughout WWII. Despite constant bombing raids by the US and the British, German industrial production actually increased as the war went on. More tanks, more planes, more guns.

A Tomahawk cruise missile costs about $1,000,000 to build and deliver, if not more. Assuming a 500 kg warhead, it would take 2000 of these missiles to deliver as much explosive as the USAF and RAF were dumping on Germany, per day, in WWII from 1943-5.

I doubt the US government could afford this type of bombardment for long!

	11-05-2002 03:39									#98
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quote: The Arabian world hates the West (That includes the EU) I would think that they would sit back and watch the fireworks and tkae on the winner.

Nah, they hate the US much more. Why do you think are all the terrorist atacks against the US + Embassys?
It would be much easier to atack some random important target in Europe.

From where did the Iraqis buy there weapons? - France
Where get the turkish their panzers? - Germany
What was the big Scandal a couple years ago again? Oh yes some corruption stuff about german weapons sells to Iran.
Who complains loud about Israel?

	11-05-2002 03:40									#99
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Oui maleuresement Je fais beaucoup d'erreurs idiotes. Ce qui c'passe c'est que quand on ne patique pas la langue du tout, on oublie de tad des choses...

Comme quoi il est temps de s'y remettre

	11-05-2002 03:45									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Akka le Vil Comme quoi il est temps de s'y remettre

J'aimerais bien mais la verite ce qu'il est un peu difficile maintenant

quand on n'a pas de rapport actif avec la langue (parce que il n'y a pas la neccessite de la pratiquer)...

une bonne solution ca serrais de returner a Belgique
(Je vivais la pendant quelques annees) ou aller en France
hmm... un jolie petit appertement pres de la Saine a Paris... que ca serrait bon...

	11-05-2002 03:48									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Tom201 Nah, they hate the US much more.

Only because we are the most prominent member of the West. What makes you think that the situation wouldn't be the same if our positions were reversed?

quote: Why do you think are all the terrorist atacks against the US + Embassys?

Why do you think that they choose targets within the US?

quote: It would be much easier to atack some random important target in Europe.

It wouldn't have near the worldwide impact though. The US is a world media capital which speeds the delivery of your message.

quote: Who complains loud about Israel?

The West isn't hated because of Israel in the Arab world. Israel is hated because of the West.

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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc [Q] Originally posted by Tom201 [quote]The West isn't hated because of Israel in the Arab world. Israel is hated because of the West.

kindly take your foot out of your mouth now monnypenny

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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 kindly take your foot out of your mouth now monnypenny

My foot isn't in my mouth, Zorba.

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stop trolling, spammers

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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 hmm... un jolie petit appertement pres de la Saine a Paris... que ca serrait bon...

Que ce serait cher aussi

(c'est vrai que quand on ne pratique plus, on fini par perdre les habitudes)
Je crois que la seule phrase qu'il me reste du grec c'est :
"o hélios anafaïnétai" (quite hard with a standard font, I suppose it would be o hlios anafainhtai if the font works well ).

Edit : well, the font does not work

	11-05-2002 03:58									#106
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quote: Only because we are the most prominent member of the West

Maybe you could consider it has something to do with your politics...
We are not the ones that call Countrys we dont like an Axis of Evil

quote: The West isn't hated because of Israel in the Arab world. Israel is hated because of the West.

you are pretty funny

	11-05-2002 04:01									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Akka le Vil Que ce serait cher aussi (c'est vrai que quand on ne pratique plus, on fini par perdre les habitudes) Je crois que la seule phrase qu'il me reste du grec c'est : "o hélios anafaïnétai" (quite hard with a standard font, I suppose it would be o hlios anafainhtai if the font works well ). Edit : well, the font does not work

hehe I think only the ms symbol fonts can work in greek universally
(you can of course download greek fonts from a greek site or get a greek PC )

O ilios anafainetai...

anafenetai is a quite old word (not used much anymore) and certaintly a poetic one too

	11-05-2002 04:09									#108
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 hehe I think only the ms symbol fonts can work in greek universally (you can of course download greek fonts from a greek site or get a greek PC ) O ilios anafainetai... anafenetai is a quite old word (not used much anymore) and certaintly a poetic one too

I took ancient greek classes, not modern one
(and that's why I used a eta rather than a iota for "ilios" )
Tsch, greek, arab and cyrillic fonts should be included, could be fun

	11-05-2002 04:12									#109
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what are tsch fonts?

	11-05-2002 04:16									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion what are tsch fonts?

tsch ?


Edit : oups, got it ^^
"tsch" is just a sigh sound

	11-05-2002 04:18									#111
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Ecthelion tsch is just a sound (if you didn;t already know it

BTW what font did you use Ecthelion to write in greek?
(here in Apolyton a few weeks ago)

	11-05-2002 04:31									#112
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For EU to invade the United States

1. Either ally with Canada or Mexico (Canada would be more likely) where all the European countries can group and attack from, and perhaps ally with Cuba for additonal Air and Naval base purposes.

2. Take control of the Panama Canal, Drake Passage, and set up some Naval garrisons in the Canadian Arctic.

If the above conditions are met, the EU already has the war half won, and they can essentially starve the US, and using their larger military numbers to take it apart piece by piece, the war's pretty much over.

For a QUICK war: Get China or Japan (preferrably Japan, for Naval purposes, tho China's more likely) to attack on the Western coast. With the Panama Canal taken, and the US military occupied with the North (canada), East (atlantic ocean), and South East (Cuba), it's pretty much the end for the US.

For the United States invading Europe, their best moves would be:

1. Not

2. Staying far away from the Ukraine and Mother Russia, as then they would surely be pounded into the ground.

	11-05-2002 04:38									#113
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You guys have no idea what you're talking about if you think even the whole world could beat/invade the US in the Western hemisphere. You're just spouting off with no knowledge of how military ops work, or any comprehension of tactics, logistics, or warfare in general.

	11-05-2002 04:39									#114
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Do I really need to explain how Russia would airlift grain over the Pole again, David?

	11-05-2002 04:40									#115
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paiktis is a gay twat

edit: doesn't work anymore, this was originally meant to be a little more sophisticated than that

	11-05-2002 04:42									#116
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ecthelion you worry me


edit: that was what you were going to write

you did the same with dal and he understood, let alone me (please don;t make any nasty thoughts, it's just a smilie)

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	11-05-2002 04:42									#117
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it was a test

	11-05-2002 05:37									#118
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quote: Do I really need to explain how Russia would airlift grain over the Pole again, David?

	11-05-2002 06:47									#119
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How would I invade either of them? Well, with overwhelming force, duh.

--"What does an "easier time" constitute? My point is that separate command centres would prolong the campaign US would have to carry out."

Having multiple, but uncoordinated, centers of opposition would make the campaign much shorter. There would be more targets, yes, but they could be handled piecemeal. All you'd have to do is keep holding/containment actions against all but one of the groups, and use the majority of your force against the exception. Rinse and repeat. In the end this would be much quicker than fighting against a monolithic command structure (as long as it has some idea of what it's doing).

Wraith
The problem with the easy way out is that it's already been mined

	11-05-2002 07:15									#120
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U.S. vs. EU

1. Establish naval supremacy, particularly in Atlantic.
2. Cut EU off from oil supplies and access to rest of world.
3. Establish bases in Morocco.
4. Establish air supremacy.
5. Bomb EU into submission.
6. If they don't quit, invade through Spain.

In other words, pretty much a repeat of WWII, but without England as a launching pad. Airpower would again be decisive.

Ned