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I eat my own poop
Dec 1999
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Just saw it. Loved it. The attention to some details were amazing. But, for some reason, my fave was......
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Was the Stormtrooper army. In the episodes 4-6, they seemed so alien, so stupid, so unrealistic. In this, you clearly hear them talk, they have chains of command, and realistic functions (artillery spotters, troop transports, gunships....did anyone feel like they were watching a Vietnam sequence?) as well as those seismic sounds...WOW.
And finally...Yoda. Nuff Said
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Xuenay
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Turku, Finland
May 1999
time: 07:19
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Originally posted by Tingkai
I missed the part in the movie where they tell the audience to refer to the Star Wars RPG mailing list in order to understand the movie.  |
 The Incredible Cross Sections book, actually. And I really didn't think that was an issue - I just assumed that it *was* some sort of a package deal. After all, the clone troopers were shown with their armor and weapons on Kamino. If it wouldn't have been a package deal of some sort, they'd just have been naked.
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That doesn't make sense either. The clones are being made for the rebellion side. So the allies would expect them. What would be surprising is that the clones are being used by the empire rather than Jett, Dooku, et al. |
Umm, no. The clones were made for the Repulic. As Sidious said in the end "everything is going as planned". Thus the events in the movie were planned by him. So it goes:
Jango's assistant goes to assasinate Amidala, but fails and gets the Jedi after her. If this wasn't supposed to happen, the probe she sent obviously wouldn't have returned to her, but would have self-destructed or done something else other than lead the Jedi to her.
She's captured by the Jedi, but Jango, who has been following the chase, kills her with a poisoned arrow designed to lead the Jedi to Kamino. Note that he didn't shoot either of the Jedi even though he could have - instead he just shot his assistant.
Obi-Wan goes to Kamino, where he finds Jango again. Jango escapes and leads him to the next planet (which I forgot what it was called). The way how Jango tries to kill him suggests that he was unaware of his mission to lead Obi-Wan there, but Sidious, knowing that they would send a Jedi after Jango, figured correctly that the Jedi would survive and follow Jango.
Obi-Wan finds out about the plan to attack the Republic, and is left alone just in time to transmit a message to Coruscant (notice how somebody noticed Obi-Wan already when he was making his way back to his fighter? A considerable amount of time passed before R2 informed Anakin about the message and it was relayed to Coruscant - enough time for Dooku's men to capture Obi-Wan. Instead they waited until he had said what needed to be said).
Obi-Wan is captured. Again, it is obvious that a considerable amount of time passes between his capture and his execution - they were waiting for the Jedi to arrive, knowing that they'd take action after witnessing Obi-Wan's capture. Palpatine had just previously been given emergency powers and authorized the creation of an Army of the Republic, so they knew that the Jedi would take advantage of the clones that the Kaminoans had been told were for the Republic.
The execution was precisely timed so that the Jedi arrived to the rescue at the last possible minute. After the Jedi were surrounded, Dooku stalled long enough for the clones to arrive. After they had done so, he escaped the scene, his mission being completed. The Republic had given Palpatine emergency powers and resorted to the use of clones in the first battle in a thousand years. The negotiations with the Trade Federation and other separatists had been completed before the attack, so the Republic was pushed into a civil war, not one where the separatists would overwhelmingly crush the Republic, but one where the Palpatine-led Republic had an army of clone troops on their side, making the fight much more equal. This is a perfect opportunity for Palpatine to take more emergency measures to use and further consolidate his own power base, eventually declaring himself the Emperor.
Everything went according to plan, as Sidious/Palpatine said himself.
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:19
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Originally posted by Xuenay
Umm, no. The clones were made for the Repulic. As Sidious said in the end "everything is going as planned". Thus the events in the movie were planned by him. So it goes:
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Uhm, no. The clones are based on the bounty hunter. The bounty hunter escapes and goes to join his compatriots - Doofu and the seperatists. So the clones were built for the rebels.
Your explanation is quite a stretch, a desperate attempt to make Lucus' flawed simple story look more intelligent that it is. Your whole theory rests on a single statement that can be interpreted in many ways. There is no indication in any other part of the movie to back up your rather elaborate theory.
I'd say the simple answer is the right one: Lucus created a flawed story and failed to see all the gigantic holes in the plot.
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Faeelin
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Tau Ceti
Oct 2001
time: 05:19
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Originally posted by Saint Marcus
The funny thing is, that the Jedi are now fighting with the Storm Troopers against the (soon to be) rebels. |
The funnier thing is that Jar Jar was the one who proposed Palpatine's power grab.
billions, if not trillions of deaths, entire worlds destroyed, species wiped out, and the GDP of an entire galaxy were turned to war because of one idiot with a carribean accent.
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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:19
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Originally posted by Saint Marcus
And before any starts talking again on how much Star Wars is better than Star Trek.
Star Wars: 5 movies (will only get 1 more)
Star Trek: 9 movies (and counting), 5 TV-series (in total 25 seasons of episodes, and counting)
Also, Star Trek started a decade before Star Wars.
All in all, Star Trek is far, FAR, bigger than Star Wars. |
Star Trek Movies: Only 3 of them were decent, same as SW so far. And the only Trek TV show that was really any good consistently was DS9.
Let's compare the box office grosses of Star Trek and Star Wars, shall we? There were also several other SW related films and shows (2 ewok movies, the Droids cartoon shows, etc.).
Star Wars also has a much larger merchandizing empire than Star Trek. SW-related computer games (X-wing, TIE Fighter, Rebel Assualt, Jedi Knight, etc.) have far outsold any ST computer games, which all tend to be bought only by trek-nerds. And there are the SW console games like Rogue Squadron, the SW arcade games that have been around forever.
I think if you compare fan bases, you will see many more people who love SW as opposed to ST. However, the love of SW tends to run a large gamut of people, while ST tends to be focused solely on the "Trekkers," or hardcore fans.
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Faeelin
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Tau Ceti
Oct 2001
time: 05:19
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1) Capital ship maneuverability. The SW cap ships are lumbering behemoths that pretty much sit there and shoot. The ST ships are fast and can do things the SW ones can't. See the space battles in the last season of DS9...the dominion wars. Wow!
2) The Empire has a nasty habit of being stupid, like placing their most vulnerable spot at the end of a long trench with a sign that says "Insert torpedos here to destruct" |
1) They're also pathetically puny. Even if each of the enterprise's main cannon is 5x the power of a turbolaser, that's still a 100:1 ratio.
2) Yes, but the federation is so bland, peaceful, and unimagnative that they wouldn't catch on.
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OzzyKP
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Rockville, MD
Oct 1999
time: 00:19
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I had heard bad things about the movie, and I had the load of crap Phantom Menace in my head going to see Attack of the Clones, but surprizingly I really liked it. I'm not going to rank the 5 star wars flicks, but I don't think AOTC is nearly as bad as many of you are making it out to be.
Sure the acting was bad, but i think the plot was excellent. EP1 was very jumpy, scenes would not transition nicely at all, it was a big mess of choppy cut and paste. AOTC was very good with this I thought. Plus the mood was much darker and more serious.
I have more respect for Lucas now.
I do agree with Tingkai though, that making Dooku in league with Palpatine was a bit lame. The scene where Dooku was trying to convince Obi Wan that the sepperatists were the good ones was golden. This is the type of plot complexity this series should be glorifying.
EP1-3 are supposed to deal with the transition of a Republic into a dictatorship, I would love to see it be done with more craft so that the audience cheers on the Republic until the very end when they realize, oh crap, you mean the Republic is the bad guys now?
Having one source of evil and mishap that drives the entire plot is a bit shallow. I'd more like an unwitting Palpitine, who does have good intentions at the start and then gets corrupted as the people give him more power. Now he is just some evil figure manipulating the galaxy for his own gain.
I want Dooku to truly be the good guy, and the Jedi just not realizing it until its too late. It seems like this was what they were working towards, then they put the movie to a focus group of idoits and decided it was too complex, so they threw in the last scene where Sidious and Dooku meet.
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19-05-2002 10:29
)but the movie slowed down alot after that.
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