23-05-2002 06:32									#211
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quote: It was "Sypho-Diaz", not "Syo-das". And yes, the Jedi Coundil seemed to be familiar with him.

I doubt Lucas would put in someone called 'Sypho-Diaz' NOT being Sidious without in depth explination of who the other dude was.

	23-05-2002 06:37									#212
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I doubt Lucas would put in someone called 'Sypho-Diaz' NOT being Sidious without in depth explination of who the other dude was.

There was an explaination; He was a Jedi Master who had apperently died ten years ago.

	23-05-2002 06:45									#213
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quote: There was an explaination; He was a Jedi Master who had apperently died ten years ago.

Who ordered a Clone Army? Too subtle for the hit you over your head, Lucas. Most people take it to mean Sidious.

	23-05-2002 06:48									#214
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Who ordered a Clone Army? Too subtle for the hit you over your head, Lucas. Most people take it to mean Sidious.

Yeah? Then how come Jango Fett said he was hired by Tyrannus(Dooku)?

	23-05-2002 06:53									#215
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quote: Yeah? Then how come Jango Fett said he was hired by Tyrannus(Dooku)?

Because he WAS. Tyrannus works UNDER Sidious... or Sypho-Diaz. Take out the 'pho' in Sypho-Diaz.

	23-05-2002 06:57									#216
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Because he WAS. Tyrannus works UNDER Sidious... or Sypho-Diaz. Take out the 'pho' in Sypho-Diaz.

I've seen the movie 2 times....The Kaminoans definatly pronounce it "Sypho-Diaz".

In addition, I'm pretty damn sure I read it pronounced that way in the Comic TPB.

	23-05-2002 07:27									#217
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I don't think Chancellor Palpatine is Sideous. Or at least the door is open so that he doesn't have to be...

	23-05-2002 07:53									#218
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus hours? the small combined romulan-cardasian fleet only took minutes to destroy a planet. Oh yeah the force is really believable.

You know the real problem with Trekies? They take the show too seriously. They talk about Trek being about science when they routinly ignore the laws of physics. The good Star Wars fans go to watch the movie. Not get a lesson about how evil the aliens of the week are and how they act like humans did back in the bad old days before enligtenment.

[side note]And have you noticed in Trek that everything is new? Nothing seems to wear out in Trek. [/side note]

I was joking when I said we should compare the two. They are two separate realities. Someone started listing how many shows trek has above Star Wars. I would rather have fewer quality shows than tons of garabage. Recycled garbage for that matter. I keep seeing the same episodes in Trek over and over again. And most of the movies are just 2 hour episodes anyway. In the end Lucus is falling for the same thing that the Trek handlers fell for. More is better. More special effects, more costumes, and more action figures. Everything but more substance.

Empire Strikes Back and The Wraith of Khan were two great movies. They were able to stand out in their series because they delt with human emotions and didnt rely too heavly on cheap thrills.

One more side note. Has anyone noticed how many times the Enterprise(take your pick which one) has simply stopped working for one reason or another? It seems like the Empire wouldn't have to do much more than just keep producing ships while the Federation crew kept their warp coil from exploding.

One more observation. Where is the cannon source for Federation ground troops? I have never seen any. I have see numerous starship crews go down for ground duty but never any heavy equipment. In fact the only infantry tools I have seen are from the Klingons. And they have the gall to beam into a ship or station and fight with blade weapons.

	23-05-2002 08:03									#219
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Spray: You saw Fed ground troops during the Dominion War arc in Deep Space 9.

	23-05-2002 08:07									#220
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Spray: You saw Fed ground troops during the Dominion War arc in Deep Space 9.

Yeah! In one episode, with nothing heavier than a phaser rifle.


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	23-05-2002 08:17									#221
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Dino: Are you talking about the episode where Sisko, Nog and others from DS9 meet up with Federations personel holding a base against Dominion attack and there are all of these subspace mines around that just appear randomly. Because if those are Federations ground troops they look very much like just another starship away team. If your talking about another eposide then I must have missed it( which is possible since I didnt see many of the later eposides)


The only thing comming close to large ground equipment that I have seen is the big laser type device used in TOS when Kirk and the crew tried to cut their way into a bunker in one of the earlier episodes. By TNG, DS9 era it looks like the federation has pretty much given up on dedicated ground troops.

	23-05-2002 08:23									#222
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar Don't make me laugh, DinoDoc

Do RPG type weapons count as well?

Spray: In the Siege of AR-558, Sisko beamed down to AR-558 to find a Starfleet garrison, not a group of naval officers, who had held a Jem'Hadar communications relay for five months.

	23-05-2002 08:28									#223
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Here is the weapon I was speaking about earlier:

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	23-05-2002 09:03									#224
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The picture with Worf is a definite improvement but is that just another piece of equipment available to a starship?


I remember the episode you are talking about. But in this picture the marine isn't using anything that isn't available to a starship crew. He isn't even dressed for ground combat. They are using the same weapons that TNG used in lots of their away missions. One would think that if the Federation thought that this planet was worth keeping they would at least station marines with heavy equipment on it. But I guess as long as the Dominion uses the Jam'Hadar in wave attacks with small arms then why should they field heavy weapons.

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	23-05-2002 09:05									#225
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Oh and I know the one in front isn't a Marine. She is way hotter than Judzia though

	23-05-2002 09:33									#226
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Gee you think in the future people would learn of the role that mobile armor and air superiority play on the battlefield. The Republic had it in clones, and the empire apparently forgot about air superiority on Hoth.

	23-05-2002 14:07									#227
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Can someone please post the exact words uttered in the conversation between obi-wan and the kaminoans, and the ones uttered by obi-wan and the jedi council when talking about the clone army?

I don't recall the exact words, but I know that when I first watched it I didn't get the feeling that sipho dyas was sidious.

	23-05-2002 14:11									#228
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quote: Gee you think in the future people would learn of the role that mobile armor and air superiority play on the battlefield.

In the 24th century, where starships can destroy entire planets, and target specific locations at will, any kind of large groundforce deployement seems rather useless. A starship can simply scan for enemy locations, and destroy them from orbit.

and weapons for groundforces in star trek? I think so far I've only seen phaser pistols, rifles, bazookas, mines and blade weapons. We do know there are hoppers, a kind of futuristic helicopters.

	23-05-2002 22:38									#229
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Do RPG type weapons count as well? Spray: In the Siege of AR-558, Sisko beamed down to AR-558 to find a Starfleet garrison, not a group of naval officers, who had held a Jem'Hadar communications relay for five months.

DinoDoc: IIRC, the Starfleet ground personnel also found themselves on the recieving end of Morter, and they had none!


DarthVeda:

quote: Gee you think in the future people would learn of the role that mobile armor and air superiority play on the battlefield. The Republic had it in clones, and the empire apparently forgot about air superiority on Hoth.

I wouldn't call TIEs the most aerodynamic of Fighters. I also bet they were kept in space to intercept any Rebel ships that might break out.


Saint Marcus:

quote: In the 24th century, where starships can destroy entire planets, and target specific locations at will, any kind of large groundforce deployement seems rather useless. A starship can simply scan for enemy locations, and destroy them from orbit. and weapons for groundforces in star trek? I think so far I've only seen phaser pistols, rifles, bazookas, mines and blade weapons. We do know there are hoppers, a kind of futuristic helicopters.

Couple problems with the Federation overrelience on Starships:

(1) There may be exotic metals that may interfere with sensors and transporters. It's certainly happened enough to prove it's a common theme. Enemy forces may be able to set up countermeasures that'll screw with sensors, as well.

(2) For Political reasons, the Federation often times cannot opt to blast away at a planet from orbit. Especially if there is a large civilian population. Therefore, the Federation would have to use ground forces to retake the planet.

(3) I'd like to add "sniper rifle" to your list of weapons, the weapon I'm refering too was clearly designed for covert Ops, though.

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Supposebly, we're going to see a heavylift shuttle and the Federation's version of a Humvee in it.

	23-05-2002 22:45									#230
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar DinoDoc: IIRC, the Starfleet ground personnel also found themselves on the recieving end of Morter, and they had none!

They had been requesting evac for approx. 5 months, Lonestar. Given that fact, it isn't suprising that they would be under supplied when Sisko showed up.

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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc They had been requesting evac for approx. 5 months, Lonestar. Given that fact, it isn't suprising that they would be under supplied when Sisko showed up.

IIRC, they had just recieved supplies when they offloaded The Young Sisko.

	24-05-2002 04:57									#232
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus In the 24th century, where starships can destroy entire planets, and target specific locations at will, any kind of large groundforce deployement seems rather useless. A starship can simply scan for enemy locations, and destroy them from orbit. and weapons for groundforces in star trek? I think so far I've only seen phaser pistols, rifles, bazookas, mines and blade weapons. We do know there are hoppers, a kind of futuristic helicopters.

How many times have you heard the line. Captain [insert techno bable here] has interfered with our sensors and we can't beam down to the planet.

Anyway. I finally saw AOTC today. It was definitly better than TPM, but still not on par with the ANH or ESB. However, the final duel between Dooku and Obi wan/Anakin/Yoda was outstanding. I loved how Dooku smacked Skywalkers ass with the force energy. and then the scene where Skywalker was fighting with two sabres was cool too. The battle scene was good and it was good to see some new battle droids. Dooku is the most interesting character in the trilogy so far.

I see that Lucus couldn't resist putting at least on of his kids in the movie, but oh well.

	24-05-2002 06:25									#233
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quote: I've seen the movie 2 times....The Kaminoans definatly pronounce it "Sypho-Diaz".

Exactly! It is their mispronounciation of Sidious. That is the extent of what is considered subtle for Lucas.

	24-05-2002 07:52									#234
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off the topic: what are those red guys in those older moovies?
(red guys: they wear red clothes and are on the Empires side)

	24-05-2002 07:56									#235
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Exactly! It is their mispronounciation of Sidious. That is the extent of what is considered subtle for Lucas.

yeah, and they can pronounce everything else okay? I think not.


Andemagne:

You mean those guys in the Chanchellor's room? yep.

	24-05-2002 08:15									#236
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quote: Originally posted by Andemagne off the topic: what are those red guys in those older moovies? (red guys: they wear red clothes and are on the Empires side)

Are you talking about the Emperor's guards?

	24-05-2002 19:41									#237
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yup! just what I meant.

are they just Emperor's guard or do they have a Name?
do they have some kind of jedi/sith powers or are they
just common well trained soldires?

	24-05-2002 22:55									#238
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quote: yeah, and they can pronounce everything else okay? I think not.

I think so .

Why would Sidious even give his real name?

	24-05-2002 23:37									#239
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--"off the topic: what are those red guys in those older moovies?"

I think they're called the Imperial Guard. AFAIK, they're just the elite Stormtroopers. Probably these are the ones with good equipment (supposedly the reason for the Stormtroopers notorious accuracy problems is their shoddy rifles).
More of those Rome parallels.

--"yeah, and they can pronounce everything else okay? I think not."

They don't, though. They way they pronounce Boba was not the way it was pronounced in the other movies, for instance.

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thanks Wraith and Sprayber.