22-05-2002 01:09									#181
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Can't resist........Argh.....
Must include reference to Klingons from Uranus.....
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	22-05-2002 01:16									#182
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"have you guys ever been to uranus?"

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	22-05-2002 05:20									#183
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus That's cause originally the idea was that their homeworld would be called "Kling". It was even mentioned once ("the traitors of Kling", or something). That was scrapped cause it sounded too stupid.

And the Bendi Bendi even though they are from Deneb....

	22-05-2002 22:16									#184
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Skips oodles of weird-ass Star Trek vs. Star Wars discussion

Anyway, I just saw the movie, and I don't know what you all are complaining about. Sure, the love scenes were hokey, and start of the movie was bit slow (even though I enjoyed the Coruscant chase scene), but the other half of the movie was cool and more than made it up. Even Jar Jar wasn't too annoying, although he still was somewhat annoying. I can't say how it relates to original trilogy, but it's way ahead of Phantom Menace. (Then again, anything is.)

Incidentally, while those Anakin/Padme scenes were hokey, I'd have to say that my favorite snippet of movie was Anakin, after killing the Tusken Riders, going about how they were animals and they deserved it, and then start of Imperial March playing. Dah dah dah dahdadah dahdadah!

	23-05-2002 00:42									#185
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Ah, the Imperial Death March... that piece of music just rules, doesn't it?

	23-05-2002 00:47									#186
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Imperial Death March also plays during the second-final scene, where Palpatine is inspecting the clone troopers. Cool scene, BTW.

I still believe there's going to be a funky-ass twist about Palpatine and Sidvicious that's going to surprise everyone. Otherwise what's the point?

	23-05-2002 00:51									#187
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I'm hoping that Lucas will surprise us and Senator Palpatine will not really be Darth Sideous...

and by the way... why does everybody insist on calling it the "Imperial Death March" when it is just plane and simple "Imperial March"

	23-05-2002 00:53									#188
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quote: Imperial Death March also plays during the second-final scene, where Palpatine is inspecting the clone troopers. Cool scene, BTW.

Yep, that is one of the best parts of the movie, IMO.

As for Palpatine and Sidious, there is a rumor that Palpatine is one of Sidious' clones. Then again, Lucas might not want to go for the super complex story arc and just basically say Palpy is Sidious and that is the way it is .

	23-05-2002 00:57									#189
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When did I insist, DV .

I called it the Imperial March earlier in this thread .

	23-05-2002 01:22									#190
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But that Sid dyas (sp) guy died 10 years ago, according to Obi Wan. If Palpatine is Sid dyas I'm sure the Jedi council would know, right?

	23-05-2002 01:28									#191
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	23-05-2002 01:29									#192
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My ass isn't settled.

	23-05-2002 01:29									#193
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	23-05-2002 01:32									#194
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quote: But that Sid dyas (sp) guy died 10 years ago, according to Obi Wan. If Palpatine is Sid dyas I'm sure the Jedi council would know, right?

I believe they thought Maul was the Sith Lord (not the apprentace) and therefore believed him to be Sideous.

	23-05-2002 01:40									#195
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yes, but they never named Darth Maul Darth Sidious...

I think

	23-05-2002 01:42									#196
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mayby he changed his sex

	23-05-2002 01:44									#197
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus But that Sid dyas (sp) guy died 10 years ago, according to Obi Wan. If Palpatine is Sid dyas I'm sure the Jedi council would know, right?

I agree, Saint Marcus. It is perfectly illogical, even within the context of science fiction, to believe that the Jedi Council, particularly Yoda, could fail to perceive that Palpatine and Sideous were one in the same person. However, there was a lot of discussion in the movie concerning the ability of the Dark Lord to mask certain things from the Jedi Council. Perhaps we are to believe that Palpatine could hide his identity from even those who should know him so well.

	23-05-2002 01:50									#198
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quote: I agree, Saint Marcus. It is perfectly illogical, even within the context of science fiction, to believe that the Jedi Council, particularly Yoda, could fail to perceive that Palpatine and Sideous were one in the same person. However, there was a lot of discussion in the movie concerning the ability of the Dark Lord to mask certain things from the Jedi Council. Perhaps we are to believe that Palpatine could hide his identity from even those who should know him so well.

Why is it illogical? The Dark Side clouds things. The force becomes foggy, and the future cannot be seen. The Dark Side can be felt, but the future becomes a muddled mess. It was there in the Phantom Menance and in AOTC.

	23-05-2002 01:56									#199
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But the Jedis knew Sid Dyas, or so they say. they must recognise Palpatine then, right?

	23-05-2002 02:28									#200
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Jedis have no idea who Sid Dyas is or was. Obi-Wan was bluffing.

	23-05-2002 02:31									#201
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Have you people considered that Sid Dyas was merely a nom de plume that Sideous used in ordering the creation of the clone army?

	23-05-2002 02:42									#202
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No .

A nom de plume would have to be significantly different. Sid Dyas, I think was a misprounciation of Sideous by the Kaminoans.

	23-05-2002 02:49									#203
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Sid Dyas, I think was a misprounciation of Sideous by the Kaminoans.

If it was a mispronounciation on the part of the Kaminoans, why did Obi-Wan use the exact same pronounciation when speaking to the Council?

BTW, when Count Dooku mentioned that a Sith Lord was in control of the Glaactic Senate did he mention the name Sideous?

	23-05-2002 02:54									#204
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quote: If it was a mispronounciation on the part of the Kaminoans, why did Obi-Wan use the exact same pronounciation when speaking to the Council?

Why shouldn't he? You could see Obi-Wan almost tripping over the words Syd Dyas when he said it back. He didn't want to give them the real name.

Unless you think that Syd Dyas was an old Jedi who became Darth Sidious when he turned?

Or maybe it was just another Jedi lie .

quote: BTW, when Count Dooku mentioned that a Sith Lord was in control of the Glaactic Senate did he mention the name Sideous?

No.

	23-05-2002 03:06									#205
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There is no need to use the force to figure out the Palpatine is the bad guy behind it all when simple deduction will do.

	23-05-2002 03:15									#206
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus Oh yeah the force is really believable.

I believe in the force completely. To me, the force is the spiritual essence that binds the universe and all living things together. To qoute Lenny Kravitz, "I am you, and you are me. Why's that such, a mystery? If you want it, you've got to believe...". I think prayer is synonymous with communing with the force. People from the Biblical era and other periods who executed miracles and other great works were people who knew how to commune with the force, they knew how to speak to God. If each of us tried, in our own way and at our own speed, to commune with the force, the world could be ridded of evil very quickly.

Star Wars is correct: the Dark Side muddies things, it makes us see unclearly. It is the muddied picture of the world which creates hatred, greed and fear. But the Light "will set us free".

	23-05-2002 03:16									#207
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quote: Originally posted by Ned I agree, Saint Marcus. It is perfectly illogical, even within the context of science fiction, to believe that the Jedi Council, particularly Yoda, could fail to perceive that Palpatine and Sideous were one in the same person. However, there was a lot of discussion in the movie concerning the ability of the Dark Lord to mask certain things from the Jedi Council. Perhaps we are to believe that Palpatine could hide his identity from even those who should know him so well.

Didn't you people see the Evil Eye(tm) Yoda was giving Palpatine at the begining? he suspects something is up.

	23-05-2002 04:54									#208
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Why shouldn't he? You could see Obi-Wan almost tripping over the words Syd Dyas when he said it back. He didn't want to give them the real name.

Egads, you people actually think Obi-Wan was told that Darth Sidious placed the clone order? The name he was given sounded totally different. Whoever he was, that Jedi was obviously respected by Yoda and Obi-Wan, and had died over ten year before, in fact before the order could have been placed. So the big mystery was who really ordered the army? The answer seems obvious (ie Darth Sidious or his underlings), and given George Lucas's inability to make a plot line to save his life, probably is correct, but we never find out.

Anyhow, I'm not going back to double check that. I give the movie a rating of Cheese. (that's less than one, but better than 0). I should have known better, but I wasted an hour of my life due to the fact someone had a free ticket.

Of course, it was only an hour because I don't consider the climax to be a waste of time, just of money (which I didn't pay).

	23-05-2002 04:56									#209
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quote: Egads, you people actually think Obi-Wan was told that Darth Sidious placed the clone order? The name he was given sounded totally different.

I believe Obi Wan was told by the Kaminoans that Darth Sidious placed the order. Syo-das isn't that different at all.

And I gave it *** (3 stars )

	23-05-2002 06:29									#210
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Egads, you people actually think Obi-Wan was told that Darth Sidious placed the clone order? The name he was given sounded totally different. I believe Obi Wan was told by the Kaminoans that Darth Sidious placed the order. Syo-das isn't that different at all. And I gave it *** (3 stars )

It was "Sypho-Diaz", not "Syo-das". And yes, the Jedi Coundil seemed to be familiar with him.


Anyone else besides me notice that the Jedi seem similiar to the Gestapo? "Jedi Buisness", after Kenobi slices off Zam's arm.