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Jan 1970
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You ever see a Game of Life style thing involving that? Even slight preference can rapidly cause segregation. Take a grid where you start out randomly distributing white and black dots. Each square can look at the 4 squares on each side of it. If you suppose that somebody would be reasonably happy living somewhere if at least half of its neighbors are the same color- which on the whole is pretty tolerant, you'd think it'd mean that totally mixed neighborhoods could easily form. So call a square unhappy only if 3 or more of its neighbors aren't its own color, and allow unhappy squares to swap places with other unhappy squares of a different color.
After only a few iterations of swapping things around, you rapidly find these massive neighborhoods of the same color appearing once the system becomes stable. You can think of it as if only one person is unhappy in an area- say because he happens to be a bit more isolated than everybody else- then he leaves, but then the new frontiersman may have just lost his support and is now alone, so he leaves, and you get a vicious cycle as everybody segregates and very firm borders form.
If you crank up the tolerance to requiring only 25% of the people in an area to be the same as you- you don't want to be COMPLETElY alone- then the neighborhoods still form, they just tend to be a bit thinner and the borders more erratic.
You can try it yourself with pennies and nickels on a chessboard. It's not really that computationally heavy and can easily be done yourself. Depressing, but it seems that's how we work. (and if you have a computer, you can of course make it far more complex with huge grids, farther look around, different types of people instead of everybody having the same tolerance threshold, and so on, but the same basic result is there. I remember an intersting computer variant: the Rwanda/LA riots simulation, where you have empty spots too, and populations grow, but packed in people can get antsy and occasionally attack neighbors of the different type. What normally happens is growth, war wherein mixed neighborhoods kill off the minorities, and then a slow war as whichever side ended up with bigger neighborhoods the first time slowly overwhelms the second side. Then you add in police/peacekeepers, whose purpose is to discourage conflict in the area they're at. They don't help mch th first time, but eventually they end up securing the borders around the minority neighborhood, leading to a stable peace solution, since people on the border won't fight. Of course, withdraw the peacekeepers, and watch as they return to their old ways, though.)
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Originally posted by MrFun
I see no need for NAAWP -- therefore, to me, it seems to be wasteful.
Again, white pride has been celebrated for the past 500 years, and now whites like you seem to be whining that this ego-stroking party is about to end.
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Being proud of your skin color is silly in all cases because you are born with it, so whats to be proud of? Where is the achievement? My point is that black pride groups are revered while white pride groups are accused of hateful racism. Total hypocrisy.
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Caligastia
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Chegitz is the most racist guy on here, and he doesnt even know it!
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
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I agree with Caligastia
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Carver
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reprocessing plutonium, Yongbyon, NK
Jan 2002
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Refusing to consider someone as a potential friend becuase of their race is racist. That said, people are not going to associate with groups where they don't feel comfortable. Blacks tend to congregate together for various reasons: common interests, common experiences, common challenges. But no one should exclusively surround themselves with members of their own race, cross cultural interaction and understanding is critical for a healthy and vibrant society. However, to expect a black student to accept that he is a minority and as such, will perpetually be surrounded by whites in every situation, is unreasonable. What does it feel like for the one black guy in a dorm room full of whites when one of them makes a racist remark? If you're the one black dude are you really going to enjoy this and look for more of it?
In synopsis, I think its nice to have as many friends as possible, of as many races as possible. But humans need comfort zones. Give the blacks some leeway on this one.
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It doesn't matter what your name is!
Feb 2000
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Originally posted by MrFun
Someday, you will reach the enlightened path, Cal -- along with GP. 
Black pride is legitimate, because for too long, they were blamblasted by white society that their culture and identity is meaningless, with no significant heritage.
Black pride is, and to a good extent, has undone this myth.
Just as gay pride is legitimate, while straight pride is not. |
**** like this makes me angry, and makes me laugh, all at the same time.
So the yankees can't be proud to be the yankees but the cubs can be proud to be the cubs?
It's a bullshit argument, and I don't buy it for a second.
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Dr Strangelove
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I'm a little older than most of you. I was in high school at the time that integrations via busing became a national fact. For a few years our school district cleverly bused in a double sized classroom of black teens in the morning, then promptly transferred all except the sports stars to Vocational school as soon as morning roll call was finished. Usually one of the coaches was posted at the door of the room they were held in. The thing that amazed me was that most seemed resigned or even relieved by this state of affairs. Those few times that I had a chance to talk to one I found that I could not elicit from them a clear opinion. What I sensed was an annoyance over the whole matter. They didn't want special treatment because of what it implied about them, but they seemed to want the benefits. For some it seemed they were never sure of their status.
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Carver
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reprocessing plutonium, Yongbyon, NK
Jan 2002
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quote:
Originally posted by Tingkai
At Canadian universities, it is quite common to have clubs for different ethnic and religious groups (Italian-Canadian, Chinese-Canadian, Catholic, Protestant, etc). The existence of these clubs did not divide the university. People could be a member of the club, but still hang out with people of different backgrounds.
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The nail has been hit on the head.
Italian-American societies are fine, Irish-American societies are fine, German-American societies are fine...but African-American? No, when it comes to African-American hyphenated terms are bad, that's when we're all supposed to just be American.
Right.
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Guynemer
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What DetroitDave, Carver, and Tingkai said.
Orange, I used to think just like you when I was 18 or 19. You're young, and still learning.
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