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Now, before we delve any further into my complicated mess of a problem, I should explain a few things. For reasons that I honestly can't explain, I really don't want a bisexual girlfriend. Now I know that doesn't sound very commie of me, and I applogize. But I simply *REALLY* don't want one. God knows I'm not the least bit homophobic. In fact, I railed against Bods in a recent thread for making some homophobic statements. I'm sure mrfun and Boris can attest for me being always being supportive of them. Perhaps this can be best compared to guys who don't want a girlfriend who smokes. It's nothing personal, but it's a big deal to me for some reason. This situation is especially problematic because my girlfriend and I are making plans to move in together very soon (!) and I am considering how is best to address this in one final, decisive discussion.
Now, with that out of the way, I have recently gotten suspicions that may infact harbor bisexual tendencies. Most of it is very undercurrent, but do hear me out.
-A penchant for softcore porn (which is of course, primarily, naked girls dancing and lesbian action), definitely something that has been seen as entertainment for guys, for the most part.
-A fixation on Britney Spears, frequently commenting on how "cute" she is and even saying Britney is cuter than a Mickey Mouse snowman I had gotten her (:eek. Therefore, I have been led to believe this goes beyond a simple admiration of her.
- She reads Maxim and some other "men's" magazines and comments on how attractive or unattractive she feels the girls are.
-Just lots of general comments on how cute certain girls are.

I must ask, how should I confront her about this? I have had a brief conversation on this subject previously, but she mostly just laughed me off by saying her actions were simply what "girls did". After discussing this with some of my guy friends, they concluded that they simply weren't so sure.

Can anyone give a desperate soul any advice on this matter? I appologize if I seem unreasonable or even crazy. But for reasons unexplainable by me, this is an area I simply can't compromise on in regards to a significant other. My girlfriend is very beautiful, and very sweet, and I will happily compromise if she doesn't like cats or hamsters or my star wars toys in the future. But I simply can't on this issue. What would be the best means of decisively broaching this subject?
I'm sorry if this subject forever labels me a closet-homophobe, but I am in desperate need of advice from the ever-wise Apoly folk.

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That is pretty much what girls do believe it or not.My ol lady is always commenting on this one's boobs or that one's butt.Its fairly normal.Its societal conditioning.They are always comparing....

However,its all fairly common for women to have had at least 1 lesbian experience.

hope that clears it up

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I don't see any problem in this. Every girls doing the same.

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thanks for trying to cheer me up Smash *sniffles*

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Grrrrrrrr, are there no girls in the entire world that are attracted to other girls?

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See, I know most guys might prefer this, as AH demonstrates, but if I only have one absolute requirement in a girl, it's that she isn't attracted to other girls.
Am I hopeless?

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I only have one absolute requirement in a girl, it's that she isn't attracted to other girls.
Am I hopeless?


No, just a pervert. Pervert!

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As Apolyton's yet to be acknowledged expert on bisexual girlfriends, let me weigh in here.

I am assuming that you are fairly young, ie in your twenties as is your girlfriend. I understand (I think anyway) why you are leery of having a bi-sexual girlfriend, it makes you worry that you will be unable to fulfill her in whatever ways you think she finds women attractive. IMO this is really not your problem unless your girlfriend turns out to actually be gay. Your feelings are completely understandable from a psychological standpoint, but they are difficult justify to certain jingoistic people of a pc bent. Tough t!tties for them, you're the one who has to learn to live with these feelings, and its not for anyone else to judge.

Probably the largest outstanding point here is that you really don't have any evidence that your girlfriend is really bisexual. She has certainly given you some reason to suspect, but she has denied it. Which leaves you with no good choice other than to attempt to put your self at ease by drawing her out on the matter as delicately as possible. In general I like to take people at their word, and I hesitate to not do so unless they have given me a very good reason not to. This obviously goes double for my S.O. It is important for your own peace of mind to be able to trust your girlfriend, and it is important for the health of your relationship that your girlfriend feel trusted. This is why any attempt to press her on this issue must be done with greatest delicacy. If she seems defensive, then you should wait for her to bring the subject up. If you cannot do so then keep in mind that you are risking "the circle of trust", and perhaps the relationship itself.

This may or may not set you at ease a bit, but it is my contention that there is little chance that you will lose your girlfriend because of her sexual orientation. Your relationship will succeed or fail based upon what each of you brought into it and your actions since then. If she runs off with a Brittany look-alike your relationship (and to be more specific, she) was not ready for prime time. This angle is often used subconsciously by people who are not emotionally prepared for a serious committed monogamous relationship. It allows them the perfect excuse to break away from a relationship which is making them increasingly uncomfortable the closer it moves to marriage, and for the weak-willed it even provides a good chance that they won't have to do the breaking up. Their conscience can be soothed because they don't have to take any responsibility themselves, nor do they have to leave any responsibility on their partner for the breakup. You mention that you are scheduled to move in with this girl recently. How sure are you that she is still in to that? This seems like a better angle to pursue in conversation than directly going to the bi thing, because IMO it doesn't put her on the spot about an issue which is really tangential to the really important question of whether you two are ready to take your relationship to the next step.

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See, I know most guys might prefer this, as AH demonstrates, but if I only have one absolute requirement in a girl, it's that she isn't attracted to other girls.
Am I hopeless?


I'm amending my statement based upon this comment. Are you ready to have a real committed relationship? Not with some idealized version of a woman that doesn't exist, but with a real woman? If so then let this go. The important thing is not her meeting every item on your checklist, it's whether you two can be happy in the long run, bring out the best in each other and grow together. Your fixation on this suggests that perhaps you are having second thoughts. It's ok to not be ready, but it's important to know why and to not jerk other people around because you don't know yourself well-enough not to.

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Thanks so much for the advice Sikander.
We are actually going to be moving in in about a month or so. Thus, that is why I feel the need to address the subject soon. You have had a lot of good things to say about how to broach the subject. Once again, thanks so much. However, I must reiterate that, for whatever strange psychological reason, I simply can't be with a girl that finds other girls attractive. The very thought of trying to learn to accept that my girlfriend finds other girls attractive makes my heart wrench. I wish that I were like AH here, but sadly, I am not.
Once again, thanks very much for your advice, i have found it to be most useful.

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Sik- I feel that I am ready for a serious relationship, in fact I have never been a guy to pursue a promiscous lifestyle. I think I have at least, more or less considered, a serious relationship since I was 16 or 17. This is just a very odd hangup that perhaps I am the only guy in the world takes so seriously

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I do not understand

1st Monkspider starts a Mod to Civ III
2nd Monkspider disapears
3rd Monkspider reapears and says he got married
4th Monkspider has a girlfriend he is not dealing with very well.

What am I missing here?

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I think that you should look at WHY you think you can't be with a bisexual girl. If you love her, and I assume you are pretty close at least if you are thinking of moving in together, then you really should be able to accept her for who she is. I think that if you can work out why you have a problem with it you might find out it's not actually a problem anymore.

The other thing to realise is that it's you that has the problem here. It's not fair to punish her for your hangups. After all if she's just into men then she's going to find other men attractive, does that bother you? You say it makes your heart wrench to think about her being attracted to women but what thoughts are going through your head at that time? That will give you a clue to what the problem is, even though it might be a bit embarassing to post what those thoughts are here.

Despite that, all girls comment on how attractive other girls are all the time and Amsterdam uni did some research that showed that straight and lesbian women all got turned on by the same degree by both lesbian and straight porn so I think you are reading too much into it.

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Monkspider, I don´t really understand. What´s the prob, dude? I had a relationship with a bisexual girl a few years ago. That worked out fine (well we did break up after 8 months, but that had nothing to do with her bisexuality...)

The question you should ask yourself is; do I love this girl? If the answer is yes, then the bisexuality shouldn´t be an isssue.

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See, I know most guys might prefer this, as AH demonstrates, but if I only have one absolute requirement in a girl, it's that she isn't attracted to other girls.
Am I hopeless?



You are hopeless.

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I dated 2 bisexual gals. I know about 7 or 8 in total (and only 2 "true" gay girls).

+ you all know the plusses
- If they're young and bi, they've usually experiemented a lot to reach that conclusion.

Personally I didn't have a problem with it, was kinda cool at times even, but I do prefer a non-bi-girl. They, on average, tend to be a less...outgoing. Though that depends on the girl of course.

Give me a good christian wait-till-I'm-married kinda girl any time of the week. (the only good thing about christianity )

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I agree with AH, a bisexual girlfriend could have it's distinct 'advantages'

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Give me a good christian wait-till-I'm-married kinda girl any time of the week. (the only good thing about christianity )


I have one of those write now and I'm pretty tired of she. Womens a strange beings, we have sex after two weaks since we met, it was only once. Later she said that it was a mistake and that she will do it again only after the marraige. I've said good bye and good luck. We didn't saw each other for a few months and then she call me and said- let's start it from begin, but I will not **** untill mariage anyway. Where is the logic?

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I love those. They usually resist a week or two longer....

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Is it fair to move in with this girl if your doubts are serious enough to post about it here?

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I love those. They usually resist a week or two longer....


And the sex is better once you get there.

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Comrade Monkspider,

I don't think her sexual orientation is that important unless she is strictly homosexual.

The important question is whether she is faithful to you. I assume that you two have determined that you are compatible, or you should go back to square one.

Now, if she has been faithful to you, it seems trivial if she finds other women attractive.

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And the sex is better once you get there.


Sex is normally better with people who know what they are doing and really enjoy it and aren't crippled with hangups about it. That said if you wait for weeks when you eventually do get it it's great.

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And the sex is better once you get there.


What's even better than that is knowing that she dated a guy without giving it up for four years before you came in and played homewrecker.

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You are sooooooooooooooooo evil.

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we have sex after two weaks since we met, it was only once. Later she said that it was a mistake.

Where is the logic?


It was probably the longest 28 seconds of her life

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It takes 28 seconds for you when you have sex? You are very fast guy.

 
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