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Eli is offline Eli
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During the Eurovision :

The Swedish commentator : "Israel shouldnt participate because what they do to the Palestinians...".
After the song he said : "the song doesnt deserve any points, but I wouldnt have voted for him anyway because they are from Israel".

In Belgium, the commentator also reccomended not to vote fo Israel.


And then people wonder what we have against Europe.

I just hope that the European Jewry will be smart enough to leave before they will have to publicaly condemn Israel or be sent to some Ghetto.

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I just hope that the European Jewry will be smart enough to leave before they will have to publicaly condemn Israel or be sent to some Ghetto


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Israel is not in Europe anyway, neither is Cyprus. Why they are allowed into the song contest is beyond me.

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When Israel invades Sweden, will Sweden still use the Euro?

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I just hope that the European Jewry will be smart enough to leave before they will have to publicaly condemn Israel or be sent to some Ghetto


:lol


Must have been just as funny in the 30's and 40's

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Sweden doesn't use the Euro now, so I doubt they'll start when Israeli tanks come along

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Must have been just as funny in the 30's and 40's


It's a poor-ass troll. Like it or not, European and N. American societies are fundamentally different now than they were 60 years ago. You'll have to show me a hell of a lot more than a few scattered anti-semitic incidents perpetrated by those on the fringe of society and a ton of well-founded criticism of Israel before I start worrying that the pogroms are on the way again.

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The show reruns here in 20 minutes, I'm gonna hear exactly what they said. If I can endure all those acts ONCE MORE, that is...

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Why doesn't Sweden use the Euro?
Is Sweden planning an invasion of Euroland?

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Sweden is full of snobs and Nazi sympathisers.

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I always knew the Swedes were up to no good, what with Ikea and all.

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Yes, shame on those Swedes for opposing occupation and ethnic cleansing. If only they could be good fascists or at least sufficiently stupid!

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It's a poor-ass troll. Like it or not, European and N. American societies are fundamentally different now than they were 60 years ago. You'll have to show me a hell of a lot more than a few scattered anti-semitic incidents perpetrated by those on the fringe of society and a ton of well-founded criticism of Israel before I start worrying that the pogroms are on the way again.



well founded criticism is just fine KH, but it seems at least in Europe they tend to hardly notice the blood on the Palastinian hands. European leaders practcally trampled each other to come to Arafats defense, even though terrorism is still a constant reality in Israel. I don't see any of them all that upset or outraged over continued Pal terrorism. I have yet to hear a call for Arafat to go on trial.

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Yes, shame on those Swedes for opposing occupation and ethnic cleansing. If only they could be good fascists or at least sufficiently stupid!

Ikea is fascist and occupies more land than it needs.

They also have this really f*cking odd map type layout where you must follow the arrows through the stores.

I don't think they partake in ethnic cleansing, though. Last time I was in Ikea I saw a Chinese Swede, and it made my day!

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IMO, the US seems to dismiss the blood on Israeli hands just as easily. I really find both sides despicable in their own ways. The Palestinians are insensibly violent and the Israelis are throwbacks to the age of colonialism.

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Yes, shame on those Swedes for opposing occupation and ethnic cleansing. If only they could be good fascists or at least sufficiently stupid!


Hey KH this is what I'm talking about

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Have people called for Sharon to go on trial?

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Hey KH this is what I'm talking about


Geez, I haven't seen any Israeli apologists from the US...

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Have people called for Sharon to go on trial?


As a matter of fact some have suggested it. Which wouldn't be a bad thing, but to leave Arafat out of any blame is a bit one sided. Unless you really belive its all about the people with him.

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Spraybear, most parts of Europe still remembers how it was to be under the iron heel of a ruthless occupier. Every single nation in Europe celebrates the French resistance as heroic fighters. Do you think it is odd that they understand the palestinians side?

The saddest part of the conflict is the complete lack of memory on Israels part...

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if Arafat sang at the eurovision contest, he would have won

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Have people called for Sharon to go on trial?


Was he singing the Israeli entry then?

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if Arafat sang at the eurovision contest, he would have won


If Arafat was calling to throw all Jews to the sea at the Eurovision contest he would've have won.

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ARAFAT, SHARON WALK OFF SET OF "ISRAEL"
Temperamental Stars Say They're Tired of Playing Dogmatic Jerks

Jerusalem (SatireWire.com) — Sources on the set of "Israel," history's longest-running drama, say irascible stars Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat angrily walked off the set today, complaining that the show's scriptwriters continually make their characters say and do stupid things.


"I'm supposed to be the Prime Minister of a country that's embroiled in this terrible conflict, where diplomacy and tact and wisdom should be important, but you people always have me playing this great pompous prat!" Sharon reportedly shouted before throwing his script on the ground and storming off to his trailer.

"I swear, if you hacks have me bulldozing one more Palestinian village, or making one more asinine, inflammatory comment, I'm filing a complaint with Actors Equity," he added.

Arafat was allegedly no less piqued at the way recent treatments have depicted the gruff, unlovable Palestinian chief he portrays.

"A few seasons ago, my character was an influential creep, but now the script calls for everyone, even my own people, to treat me like a neutered creep," grumbled Arafat as he sulked off to the small tent he's allowed to occupy on the remote outskirts of the set. "I'm starting to think they want to write me out of the series for next season."

While the show's producers insisted the temperamental stars were simply overwrought due to a tight production schedule, television critics said they too have found themselves wincing at times, particularly over Sharon's lines.

"It's like in a horror movie, when one of the characters is about to do something dumb like open a closet door or look under the bed, and you're watching and you want to scream, 'No, don't do it!'" said Los Angeles Times TV critic James Boldini. "Well, that's what they've done with the Sharon character. You're watching and you say, 'Oh God, don't say that!' But he always does."

"That's OK when it's Just Shoot Me or Married with Children, but this is supposed to be a reality-based drama," Boldini added.

Boldini also said the writing on the show has "definitely gone downhill" since the popular Menachem Begin and Anwar Sadat were in the cast.

"A perfect example is that episode a couple of weeks back, when Sharon says he wished he had killed Arafat 20 years ago," he said. "I mean, c'mon, why would a head of state publicly say something so incendiary and stupid? He just wouldn't."

Viewers also expressed dissapointment. Peter Curlimo of Chicago rolled his eyes over a "particularly absurd" January installment.

"In previous episodes, they had set it up so Arafat has this great opportunity to make the world feel sorry for his people's cause and maybe put pressure on Israel, right?" said Curlimo. "But then they have his character blow it by secretly buying a big old arms shipment from Iran so he comes off looking like a total lying, conniving jerk."

"It's a basic rule of fiction," Curlimo added. "You have to make at least one of the main characters, if not likable, then at least a sympathetic figure. You'd think these writers would know that."


In the drama America, the character of George Bush is allowed to grow. Here he is in an early episode, speaking on a phone with no cord.
According to agent Lenny Waldman, who represents both Sharon and Arafat, the show's staff is also making a mistake by not letting the two characters evolve. Israel's writers, Waldman said, should take their cue from "America: The Series".

"The cool thing about America is they let the actors grow into the roles," Waldman said. "Like the George W. Bush character. Remember how early in the season he started out really bumbling, but then they let his character develop until, in that one climactic scene, the whole U.S. Senate officially declares him no longer goofy? Now that is compelling television."

According to Waldman, both Sharon and Arafat have announced they want their characters re-written before they will return. Israel, head writer Kent Loring, however, insisted it couldn't be done.

"What are we supposed to do, have Sharon suddenly turn around and say 'OK, let's try to work something out and make peace?'" Loring asked. "Or I'm gonna have Arafat suddenly do what he promises to do? That would be totally out of character and no one would believe it."

Loring denied rumors that in the season finale, Sharon will turn out to be Arafat's long-lost brother. However, he did say the final episode would be "explosive" and "definitely a can't miss."

But if "Israel" continues on the self-destructive path the writers seem bent on, the question in many viewers' minds is, "Will there be anyone left on the set to watch?"

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If Arafat was calling to throw all Jews to the sea at the Eurovision contest he would've have won.


If Sharon publically urinated on a Palestinian child he'd win a Pulitzer.

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I think Europe has Israeli bias, letting them perform, but excluding the Palestinians.

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Every single nation in Europe celebrates the French resistance as heroic fighters


nonsense there were 40000 of them by the end of the war, thats nothing for country of that size. and their effectivness is legendary (ever seen "Alo, Alo" )
yugoslav partisans on the other hand had a very very hard time.

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If Arafat was calling to throw all Jews to the sea at the Eurovision contest he would've have won


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During the Eurovision :

In Belgium, the commentator also reccomended not to vote fo Israel.


Was it the Flemish or the Walloon commentator?

 
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