26-05-2002 16:15									#61
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Welcome to the wonderful world of Eurovisions!

Normally, Eurovisions would be a bloody fight between the BCS (Baltic Corruption System),
WECS (Western-Europe Corruption System) and EMCS (Eastern Mediterrian Corruption System),
where each of these factions give all the votes to each others to support their
neighboring countries.
Nowadays, because of the fall of USSR, Baltic Countries have won several times,
but the EVOCS (EuroVision Overall Corruption System) may have a reform!
Because, because, few European nations have got a few anti-semitic political movements,
they pay back in EuroVisions giving Israel several symphathic-points.
This PICS (Pro-Israel Corruption System) has got resistance in Baltic,
where countries have formed PSAP-BTI-CS (Pro-Socialists and Palestinians -
Boo to Israelis - Corruption System). The next Visions will be exciting!

	26-05-2002 16:18									#62
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The Eurovisions make me nauseous. They were really asking to get ratings-raped, so close to the World Cup.

	26-05-2002 17:08									#63
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quote: Originally posted by moominparatrooper This would seem to imply that the Christian fundies are getting back into the anti-semitist act again, after a 60 or so years hiatus in this part of the world. Who else would brandish words like triumvirate?

Again! Genius!

"Bugs man use big word. Him Christian fundamentalist."

	26-05-2002 17:14									#64
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I find it disturbing sometimes that we (finland) are called anti-semites. We are part of Europe. If you mean some country, then seperate it. I think we condemn more arafat than sharon. Except Tuomioja but he's hippie anyway and nobody gives a crap what he has to say anyway. Labeling the whole Europe as anti-semite is bad judgement.

	26-05-2002 17:20									#65
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Pekka is correct - Eli don't you realize it's not really helping your case to try to prove the existance of general European anti-semitism through ONE Belgian guy in the Eurovision song contest?

	26-05-2002 17:23									#66
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I was quite annoyed that the Israeli Head of Voting used the opportunity to make a political statement... "Hello from Jerusalem, THE CAPITAL OF ISRAEL." (her emphasis)

	26-05-2002 17:25									#67
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And calling Sweden anti-semite too? What did they do? Maybe few activists here and there yes.. that's what it's like when there's freedom fo speech. Still hardly anti-semite country.

	26-05-2002 17:29									#68
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Oh, there's strong Anti-Isreali feelings in Sweden. We're not anti-semite, of course, that's a ridiculous accusation, but Sweden is one of few western countries not to buy into the shitty Israeli propaganda.

	26-05-2002 17:29									#69
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CyberGnu, Until you just mentioned it, I had no idea that the French resistance was in the same league as the Palestinian "resistance." But now I understand:

France declares war on Germany.

Germany overruns France.

French resistance fighters disrupt German operations in France by bravely machine-gunning little German girls and by blowing themselves up in German restaurants, schools and wedding parties, killing as many of the Nazi pig civilians as they can.

The noble French!

A very apt analogy.

	26-05-2002 17:39									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny "Bugs man use big word. Him Christian fundamentalist."

No, I guess your sig is all the clue we need to place your particular political bias. Still, it is amazing how much biblical imagery anti-Israeli ranting always seems to generate.

I don't imply it's a concious decision, Bunny. It's in the nature of irrational hatereds that you need to rationalize them, after all, and that isn't by any means an exercise in logic.

	26-05-2002 17:44									#71
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Biblical imagery? We are talking about the real world here!

Israel is acting incompetently and it gets criticised for it's actions.

But of course, Israel uses it's propaganda machine and pulls this 'biblical card', despite the fact that it is acting in a completely irrational manner.

And then accuses those who oppose it's actions as being 'antisemites'. It is propaganda of the highest order. It is interesting to see how many of you fall for the propaganda hook, line and sinker...do you really think Europe is a hotbed of antisemitic racial hatred? Yeah, right...

	26-05-2002 17:51									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka And calling Sweden anti-semite too? What did they do? Maybe few activists here and there yes.. that's what it's like when there's freedom fo speech. Still hardly anti-semite country.

Well these days it's so easy to be called an anti-semite, after all all you have to do is mention that someone belongs to a group of three people who are in control of an activity or an organisation - seeing as the use of the word triumvirate is a supposedly anti-semite activity...

I tell you one thing I am and that is anti-thin skinned moron who cries wolf every bleedin' two seconds...

There's plenty of those on these threads - and they all seem to be batting for the Israelis!

And another thing too, while you stupid gits bandy around 'anti-semitism' every second a whore drops her panties - Palestinians are semites as well!

So if I was anti-semitic, I'd have to hate the Palestinians as well as the Jews...

That's the whole point of this stupid f*cking war - it's brother killing brother in the name of religion...

	26-05-2002 17:52									#73
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Provost Harrison, It is easier to sarcastically criticize than to actually propose a better course of action, but since you have stated that Israel is acting incompetently, I now nominate you to be the new leader of Israel. Your people want security and peace. They want to be free from terror.

What do you do, leader Provost Harrison? Lead us to the promised land.

	26-05-2002 17:54									#74
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Look for solutions, not exacerbate the problem! Has the hatred of the Israeli system died down? No. Has the terrorism stopped? No.

Solution: Self determination for the Palestinians...

So tell me Ned, what is your solution?

	26-05-2002 17:56									#75
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Why is Israel allowed in the Eurovision?

They should be in the Arabvision song contest.

	26-05-2002 17:57									#76
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Arabvision? LOL, they'd get all the votes

	26-05-2002 17:58									#77
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Well these days it's so easy to be called an anti-semite, after all all you have to do is mention that someone belongs to a group of three people who are in control of an activity or an organisation - seeing as the use of the word triumvirate is a supposedly anti-semite activity... I tell you one thing I am and that is anti-thin skinned moron who cries wolf every bleedin' two seconds... There's plenty of those on these threads - and they all seem to be batting for the Israelis! And another thing too, while you stupid gits bandy around 'anti-semitism' every second a whore drops her panties - Palestinians are semites as well! So if I was anti-semitic, I'd have to hate the Palestinians as well as the Jews... That's the whole point of this stupid f*cking war - it's brother killing brother in the name of religion...

Morbius, You obviously don't get it, do you. The Jews have been a part of European society for 2000 years. The Arabs are only just moving in. It is the hatred of the Jews in Europe (and for that matter, in America, Australia, New Zealand or Canada) that is at issue. Even Powell ascribes European anti-Israeli sentiment to anti-Semitism.

	26-05-2002 18:03									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Morbius, You obviously don't get it, do you. The Jews have been a part of European society for 2000 years. The Arabs are only just moving in. It is the hatred of the Jews in Europe (and for that matter, in America, Australia, New Zealand or Canada) that is at issue

Where? Yeah, you know Europe inside out, don't you?

quote: Even Powell ascribes European anti-Israeli sentiment to anti-Semitism.

What does Powell know, another non-European. Funny how all the people who hold these opinions about Europe don't actually live or know much about the place.

Again, I will reiterate, there are no undercurrents of anti-semitism, just criticism of Israeli action. It does not come down to race.

	26-05-2002 18:03									#79
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One of the best moments of the whole evening was when the Israel compere called Jerusalem Israel's capital and started making some blatantly political statements and the Estonian compere intervened and basically told the Israeli woman to shut up and give the votes, LOL!

Israel has no right to be in that contest. They should F-U-C-K off basically until they start behaving like a civilised country again.

Serbia isn't in it. Why should Israel be.

	26-05-2002 18:07									#80
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quote: Even Powell ascribes European anti-Israeli sentiment to anti-Semitism.

cause Powell is a bigot.

The Economist:

Notions of European anti-semitism are wrong, a gross distortion and a terrible slander

CNN:

It is true that there have been some ugly attacks on synagogues across Europe. But almost certainly they have reflected the unrest in the Middle East rather than any outbreak of anti-Semitism against local Jewish communities.

	26-05-2002 18:14									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Look for solutions, not exacerbate the problem! Has the hatred of the Israeli system died down? No. Has the terrorism stopped? No. Solution: Self determination for the Palestinians... So tell me Ned, what is your solution?

As a part of a global peace treaty with all parties:

1) Arab recognition of the Golan heights annexation;
2) Arab recognition of the Barak territorial proposal;
3) Israeli-pullback to be replaced by Jordanian forces under UN command/funding;
4) Dismantiling of all Jewish settlements in Arab territory; Israeli government compensating owners;
5) Right of return of refugees into Arab territory, but no further compensation due to offsetting claims by Jewish refugees from Arab lands;
6) Structural reform and Palestinian elections under Jordanian/UN supervision.
7) Jordanian exit if peace is maintained for at least one year.

	26-05-2002 18:16									#82
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France gave Israel 10 points, which kind of blows the antisemitism theory right out of the water given that the votes are based on telephone polling

You w-ankers

	26-05-2002 18:16									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Eli During the Eurovision : The Swedish commentator : "Israel shouldnt participate because what they do to the Palestinians...". After the song he said : "the song doesnt deserve any points, but I wouldnt have voted for him anyway because they are from Israel". In Belgium, the commentator also reccomended not to vote fo Israel. And then people wonder what we have against Europe. I just hope that the European Jewry will be smart enough to leave before they will have to publicaly condemn Israel or be sent to some Ghetto.

hi ,

ones again prove that belgium is nothing more then a ant Israeli country , ....

need proof , well they took from the church , .........

what do they have to do in the middle east anyway , they cant even fix the problems at their home , ...........

have a nice day

	26-05-2002 18:32									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Solution: Self determination for the Palestinians...

Leader Provost Harrison of the Israelis gives self determination for the Palestinians. Now, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade and the Tanzim no longer make teracts against Israel.

Once a day, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Al Quaida, PFLP, PFLP-GC, DFLP, Abi-Nidal group and AMAL suicide bombers blow up in discotects and supermarkets killing 100 people per week. Hizballah is launching tens of rockets on the northern half of Israel and kills dozens.

Their demands are remain unchanged. The death of all Jews in Palestine.
Iran will have nuclear weapons in two years. The Irani leaders publicaly state that in the first opportunity they have they will destroy Israel.

What do you do Provost?

	26-05-2002 18:40									#85
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the helpless Israelis vs the all powerfull evil arabs.

nobody believes that crap

	26-05-2002 18:44									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus the helpless Israelis vs the all powerfull evil arabs. nobody believes that crap

Great reply.

	26-05-2002 18:45									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Eli Leader Provost Harrison of the Israelis gives self determination for the Palestinians. Now, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade and the Tanzim no longer make teracts against Israel. Once a day, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Al Quaida, PFLP, PFLP-GC, DFLP, Abi-Nidal group and AMAL suicide bombers blow up in discotects and supermarkets killing 100 people per week. Hizballah is launching tens of rockets on the northern half of Israel and kills dozens. Their demands are remain unchanged. The death of all Jews in Palestine. Iran will have nuclear weapons in two years. The Irani leaders publicaly state that in the first opportunity they have they will destroy Israel. What do you do Provost?

Well the first thing you do is stop the hardline militarist policies which build up hatred of Israel and Arab support for Pal extremists. DUH! This is so obvious. But Sharon leads you down the path to hell. Having fun yet?

Sometimes I think Israelis have a death wish - maybe the bible was right.

	26-05-2002 18:47									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Eli Leader Provost Harrison of the Israelis gives self determination for the Palestinians. Now, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade and the Tanzim no longer make teracts against Israel. Once a day, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Al Quaida, PFLP, PFLP-GC, DFLP, Abi-Nidal group and AMAL suicide bombers blow up in discotects and supermarkets killing 100 people per week. Hizballah is launching tens of rockets on the northern half of Israel and kills dozens. Their demands are remain unchanged. The death of all Jews in Palestine. Iran will have nuclear weapons in two years. The Irani leaders publicaly state that in the first opportunity they have they will destroy Israel. What do you do Provost?

Have Eli Zlatkin, the whining little sh*t, gagged!

	26-05-2002 18:49									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Well the first thing you do is stop the hardline militarist policies which build up hatred of Israel and Arab support for Pal extremists.

PH already stopped them.
You still have tens of groups attacking Israel. The Palestinian children are still taught that the Jews are the children of the monkeys and the pigs and that the Jews have no right to exist in this land, streets are still named after suicide bombers, the goverment is still 100% corrupt, people still live in poverty and under strict Islamic law.

	26-05-2002 18:54									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Eli PH already stopped them.

Well thus the problem is not as bad as you are now claiming. You give up on the stupid notion that Israel should be a Zionist state and accept pluralism, you start building relations with your neighbours, perhaps even helping out with some of their problems. You have to put something in to get something back.

Or of course, you could have "Fortress Israel", because quite frankly, I don't fancy your chances against the rest of the Arab world, because that is what you are going to get at this rate, and a damn sight more likely under your policies.

I refer you to your English-Hebrew dictionary. The word is "diplomacy"