27-05-2002 01:44									#61
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Shouldnt Mars be claimed by the UN to be held for all mankind?

	27-05-2002 01:56									#62
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and where is than the share for the US?

	27-05-2002 01:59									#63
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon I claim this planet in the name of England!

Well you're going to have to stick a flag in it, so we'll have to go there...

...you first.

Well the thing is, is there enough ice there to melt it all and make nice oceans and an atmosphere?

	27-05-2002 02:05									#64
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Question: have the Americans already put a flag there such as they did on the moon?

	27-05-2002 02:09									#65
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The Soviet Union/Russia has sent over a dozen probes to Mars, all have failed, except one, which carried a Soviet penant.

So the Red flag flies over the Red Planet.

	27-05-2002 02:24									#67
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Damn dirty martian commies.

	27-05-2002 02:28									#69
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Well that's rich, accusing other people of spamming Andy.

Actually I would expect that flag wouldn't count anymore as the Soviet Union is now defunct.

	27-05-2002 02:31									#70
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Actaully, it just means that Mars is their last stronghold...

	27-05-2002 02:31									#71
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Maybe all the old party elites live there now

	27-05-2002 02:36									#72
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Doing a bit of research, the probe actually crashed, although the flag probably survived the crash.

But I don't think flags constitute ownership of an entire planet anyway.

	27-05-2002 02:39									#73
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Hmm. If you're worried about diseases from Martian creatures, why aren't you worried about getting diseases from dinosaur fossils?

After all, bacteria can survive that long. And I'd be more worried about earth based creatures with similar protein strains than a bunch of martian bugs.

	27-05-2002 04:42									#74
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quote: Originally posted by GP Well...there are people who want to prevent the Moon form being ruined by development. No kidding. The UN is hearing their pitch...

Let them develop the far side. Keep the side facing Earth the way it has always been.

	27-05-2002 08:41									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin The chances of us being affected by Martian virii is akin to the chances of a PC being susceptable to the common cold.

My PC just sneezed.

I think the big danger would come, not from an initial release of some bio-agent but rather from a mutated/adapted strain.
Simple micro-organisms mutate and adapt very easily and could conceivably pose a credible threat (albeit not necessarily lethal or even harmful) in a very short period of time.
The one thing possibly working against them would be the fact that Mars has so little radioactivity, hence native organisms might not be "used to" the level of change required for their survival/prosperity in a terrestrial environment.
I'm just speculating of course. Now who was the resident biochemist again?

quote: Let them develop the far side. Keep the side facing Earth the way it has always been.

Unless of course they want to put a smiley face on it.
Smiley face on moon idea - copyright - Lancer thread # 2874 - 2002

	27-05-2002 09:15									#76
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quote: Originally posted by ravagon The one thing possibly working against them would be the fact that Mars has so little radioactivity, hence native organisms might not be "used to" the level of change required for their survival/prosperity in a terrestrial environment.

They are subjected to a massive dose of cosmic and UV rays without a dense atmosphere like the Earth has.

	27-05-2002 09:22									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger They are subjected to a massive dose of cosmic and UV rays without a dense atmosphere like the Earth has.

True, but their habitat is well below the surface, hence the lack of a dense atmosphere and an intense Van-Allen belt would not be nearly as important.

	27-05-2002 09:33									#78
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Mars will never have an atmosphere like ours PH. Not unless we crashed its moons into it or something...

But this will allow 'tin cans, domes, and bunkers' type towns to built, since this means we can have wells, of a sort.

	27-05-2002 10:39									#79
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On the Mars sovereignty issue: On another thread we dicussed the Outer Space Treaty. Article II forbids all claims to sovereignty in Outer Space. The US apparently ratified this treaty.

On the Martian bug issue, all I can think of is the fate of the Native Americans to the arrival of the Spanish. They nearly all died due to smallpox and other diseases. The same could happen to anyone sent to Mars, or to Earth on their return. I suspect that anyone who returned may be put under permanent quarantine.

	27-05-2002 11:08									#80
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse I just think you have problems with the following dataset 1. Canada 243,791 km (152,369 miles) 2. Russia 37,653 km (23,533 miles) 3. Australia 25,760 km (16,100 miles) 4. US 19,924 km (12,452 miles)

Well, than. If the Canadians value that coastline and its attendent claim on the oceans, why did they kill their nuke sub program in the 80's (they were gonna build/buy some.)

Besides...some of that coastline is pretty crappy coastline. Not "blue water". (i.e. not coastline in the winter...)

	27-05-2002 12:32									#81
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Don't want nuke subs. Too expensive.

	27-05-2002 12:39									#82
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We can't even get it together on this planet...screw Mars!

	27-05-2002 13:50									#83
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Martian snow cones sounds good right about now.

Rust flavored is my favorite.

	27-05-2002 14:04									#84
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Don't want nuke subs. Too expensive.

Agreed. We can patrol those northern waters for you...

	27-05-2002 15:55									#85
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against possible invasions from Greenland...

	27-05-2002 17:45									#86
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quote: Originally posted by GP Agreed. We can patrol those northern waters for you...

Patrol for what? The Chinese?

Our biggest naval problem is illegal fishing, and we don't need nuke subs for that, unless they've started arming trawlers....

	27-05-2002 18:03									#87
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Arming trawlers.... the French did in the sixties or early 70's in the waters around St Pierre and Michelon (sp?).

	28-05-2002 00:29									#88
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Patrol for what? The Chinese? Our biggest naval problem is illegal fishing, and we don't need nuke subs for that, unless they've started arming trawlers....

Just teasing you, Kitty...

It really was a slip about US oceans. I don't think that way. Not like you coastline aggressors.

	28-05-2002 02:15									#89
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH Arming trawlers.... the French did in the sixties or early 70's in the waters around St Pierre and Michelon (sp?).

Bastards. We should take those back. We occupied them as soon as France surrendered in 1941. I don't know why we left...

	28-05-2002 02:22									#90
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I cant recall the details, but I was told that it came as a bit of a shock to the Navy ships that came in contact with them.