31-05-2002 23:22									#31
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There should be an imposed referendum for the disputed provinces. Whoever wins keeps the lot.

Then whoever starts trouble after this gets sanctions etc.

	31-05-2002 23:24									#32
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and you're gonna make them?

	31-05-2002 23:26									#33
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that's the point. the UN would have to intervene, but it's too weak.

	31-05-2002 23:27									#34
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didn't the US intervene a few years ago when the parties were short before war?

I was at schooltrip then and never noticed anything about it, until it was mentioned on TV a year later.

	31-05-2002 23:38									#35
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Everyone who treatens to use nukes first is a rogue state and a terrorist. By those comments has Pakistan clearly proven that they are a danger for humanity, do You really think the bad effect of the nukes would be limited to India? No they will raise cancer in the whole region maybe even the whole earth.

Humanity must unite againsts those who treaten to use nukes to secure it's survival. No mather why they treat to use them, treating to usez nukes is over the line and unforgivable.

	31-05-2002 23:40									#36
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The Us has done it before, in the cold war

And NATO still has nuke use as a first strike option

	31-05-2002 23:44									#37
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if they think they're going to be anihilated they might as well take to hell their enemy too.

it's only human unfortunately.

	31-05-2002 23:48									#38
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 if they think they're going to be anihilated they might as well take to hell their enemy too. it's only human unfortunately.

They won't be anihilated only there regime, but if they use nukes, yes then will the response maybe treuly anilate them.

That you might consider the dead of the majority of your population just for a temporaly gain in a conflict is beyond me.

	31-05-2002 23:48									#39
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara The highly bellicose and provocative statements by Akram ...surprised diplomats and officials at the United Nations who declined to make an immediate comment.

No- I believe their exact words were, "Buh.. Duh.. Buh.. Umm.."

	31-05-2002 23:50									#40
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Kolpo, if only in a war only the heads of the regimes fought...
if there will be a war, they will most propably lose.
instead of accepting that fact they threaten to anihilate large part of India and themselves.

Also, the people are not fond of India either. It is not just a question of replacing a regime with a more "peaceful" one.
althoyugh public opinion is being manipulated hugely. (as it is in our "civilized" world too)

Indian government also received pressure from the people to "do something" about the attackes on kasmir (and on the parliement)

	31-05-2002 23:55									#41
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Kolpo, if only in a war only the heads of the regimes fought... Also, the people are not fond of India either. It is not just a question of replacing a regime with a more "peaceful" one.

Organize a poll in the population, where they can choose between:

a) Accepting that terrorims in kasmir must be fought
b) Being anilated by nukes.

Also I don't think that Indiawants to control Pakistan, I just think that they want them to give up trying to gain control of the Indian part of Kasmir. If Pakistan would officailly announce that they accept the current borders of kasmir until ethernity will there be peace.

	31-05-2002 23:57									#42
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yes but it won't.

kasmir is rich in natural resources and it has a large muslim population which facilitates Pakistan's wish to claim it.

	01-06-2002 00:00									#43
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 and you're gonna make them?

Yes

I have packed a few sandwiches and a flask of sweet tea and I`ll be there in a few hours.


I`ll let you know how I got on

	01-06-2002 00:29									#44
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Mineral wealth.

Finally! I asked yesterday what the big deal was about Kashmir, and didn't get a real helpful answer.

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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Finally! I asked yesterday what the big deal was about Kashmir, and didn't get a real helpful answer.

Yeah. I haven't seen any commentary yet as to why anyone would desire this territory.

Minerals make sense.

	01-06-2002 00:38									#46
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It looks Canada has ordered her people out of India and the United States is urging it's citizens to leave as well.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...art_id=11583302

	01-06-2002 01:40									#47
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on a related topic, the Indian military has issued a contract for artillery pieces , with the Swede and Israeli military Industries being competitors. the Contract is estimated at 1 Billion dollars , with the main criteria being the speed of delivery.

	01-06-2002 01:45									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Dalgetti on a related topic, the Indian military has issued a contract for artillery pieces , with the Swede and Israeli military Industries being competitors. the Contract is estimated at 1 Billion dollars , with the main criteria being the speed of delivery.

Since when the Swedes manufacture military hardware?

	01-06-2002 01:48									#49
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actually, the peaceful vikings make a shitload of armaments. Karl Gustav AT Missiles are an example that springs to mind.

	01-06-2002 01:58									#50
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Norwegians are Vikings. Swedes are their slaves.

Aaprt from that, it's not surprising to me at all that foreign companies make a crap load of money in that conflict. It's a shame to 'western civilization'. And Israel, too

	01-06-2002 02:00									#51
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I thought that all Scandinavians are Vikings.?

	01-06-2002 02:02									#52
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I don't know. The history of Scandinavia is confusing to me. All those Kalmar Unions and the like. Sometimes Denmark owning all of it, Sweden at other times. Pretty irritating. But I think you're right, they're all damn huns... erm, vikings.

	01-06-2002 02:06									#53
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IMO it was the right move by Pakistan to prevent a war. Just think about it, why shouldnt India start a conventional war, when there is no danger of nukes?

	01-06-2002 02:10									#54
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No. It was a STUPID move. you know , It's not like the nukes are the only thing stopping India from going to war.

	01-06-2002 02:12									#55
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Well Dalgetti, what would be your kind offer to your beloved neighbour in the situation of by oversea allies much-arselicked dictator Musharraf then?

	01-06-2002 02:14									#56
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Just compare the calculation in looses India has to make, with bzw. without first-strike opertunity of Pakistan...
Really I think they would have started already, if pak. wouldnt posses nukes.

	01-06-2002 02:18									#57
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no no no, with no nukes involved , India would still not attack yet , in a full scale war. a conflict in kashmir, perhaps , but not a full scale war.

Andreas: ???

	01-06-2002 02:22									#58
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This has a very bizarre Dr. Strangelovian surreal feel to it...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...-2002May31.html

	01-06-2002 02:23									#59
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Why should Pak. allow India to grab kashmir territory? It was right to threaten them with everything they have, if they cant hold it with their conv. force.

	01-06-2002 02:26									#60
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you know very well that India has a right to do it , with the terrorists Pakistan harbours. come on! an attack on the Indian parliament!