02-06-2002 23:50									#181
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quote: They are censored hear because otherwise someone's parents might send a nasty e-mail to Apolyton.

I don't mean here! I mean in society in general.

quote: Wearing a hat means that you want to be somewhere else because you want to leave the eating area as soon as possible. Guys are expected to do this too.

What? Says who? Some people like wearing hats.

quote: It's just that I've heard too many accounts of girls getting abused by their realitives.

Ah, well that is different.

	02-06-2002 23:52									#182
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Oh, and I'm yankin' your dishonorable and inconsistant ass off of that boat. I'm not going to allow some child's mother to die just because you want to prove some bullshit ideological point.

What if you do that to a man and in turns on that his wife was dead and he was taking care of 3 kids by himself!? Good Job!

How can you say that one's gender determines one's worth and right to live!?

	02-06-2002 23:54									#183
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quote: I don't mean here! I mean in society in general.

Then just replaced Apolyton with McDonalds or CBS. They don't like getting angry letters either.

quote: What? Says who? Some people like wearing hats.

It's common sense.

quote: Ah, well that is different.

It is, but they have to realize early not to do everything their realitives tell them to.

	02-06-2002 23:58									#184
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quote: Then just replaced Apolyton with McDonalds or CBS. They don't like getting angry letters either.

You have problems getting the point, don't you?!

SOCIETY IN GENERAL. That means everyone that speaks the language. Doesn't mean McDonalds, CBS. It means everyone. Why do we have to censor?

quote: It's common sense.

Why?

quote: It is, but they have to realize early not to do everything their realitives tell them to.

Well that isn't very chivalrious . Don't get me wrong, I think it is very, very, very good that you don't fall to the trappings of chivalry.

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Shi, EXACTLY... that is why chivalry is wrong.

	03-06-2002 00:05									#185
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quote: SOCIETY IN GENERAL.

Oh, you mean why to people have a problem with it. I thought I already explained that. People find it disturbing when little kids start cursing. Once again, the words also loose their affect. Some people view them as powerful words and it really gets their attention.

quote: Why?

It is impolite. You need to show everyone that you want to sit and eat with them and can be comfortable while doing it. Hats take away from that.

quote: Well that isn't very chivalrious . Don't get me wrong, I think it is very, very, very good that you don't fall to the trappings of chivalry.

No, trying to get nieces into bed is unchivalrous. I'm not saying to not respect realitives, just don't completely obey them.

	03-06-2002 00:14									#186
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I gotta go as Laura and I are taking the little Lady out for a drive, but I would like to mention that the section about "accept pinches, hugs, etc." was in reference to how your child should perform during introductions. The book goes on a few sentences later to assert that the above was ONLY for introductions and such behaviour by adults at any other time should not be tolerated by your child, even to the point of yelling and kicking.

Sorry 'bout the confusion. I'll go edit the post now...

	03-06-2002 00:15									#187
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I've never understood the hat thing either.

	03-06-2002 00:16									#188
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quote: Oh, you mean why to people have a problem with it. I thought I already explained that. People find it disturbing when little kids start cursing. Once again, the words also loose their affect. Some people view them as powerful words and it really gets their attention.

But WHY?! Why are these words considered 'powerful' and 'disturbing'?

quote: It is impolite. You need to show everyone that you want to sit and eat with them and can be comfortable while doing it. Hats take away from that.

Plenty of people are more comfortable with their hats on. When they take them off, they are less comfortable.

quote: No, trying to get nieces into bed is unchivalrous. I'm not saying to not respect realitives, just don't completely obey them.

But they are your elders. You have to respect them as a chivalrous man .

	03-06-2002 00:25									#189
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quote: But WHY?! Why are these words considered 'powerful' and 'disturbing'?

Because they aren't used as often. It's like how if women went topless everywhere, foreplay wouldn't be as fun for many guys, which would in turn be bad for the girls.

quote: Plenty of people are more comfortable with their hats on. When they take them off, they are less comfortable.

They are comfortable with the had because it is seen as a divider. It is like crossing your arms. In the media, people with hats are usually far more secretive than people without them. This of course does not include sports movies, aside from the Natural.

quote: But they are your elders. You have to respect them as a chivalrous man.

That has never been part of chivalry. If the elders are bad then they need to be disposed of.

	03-06-2002 00:29									#190
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quote: Because they aren't used as often. It's like how if women went topless everywhere, foreplay wouldn't be as fun for many guys, which would in turn be bad for the girls.

That's a circular argument. They aren't used as often because they are considered 'bad'. Why are they considered that way? Because they aren't used as often?!

quote: They are comfortable with the had because it is seen as a divider. It is like crossing your arms. In the media, people with hats are usually far more secretive than people without them. This of course does not include sports movies, aside from the Natural.

This is like paranoia. People with hats are more secretive? I don't buy that for a second. Why are hats a divider, but more clothes considered good (like a suit over shorts and t-shirt).

quote: That has never been part of chivalry. If the elders are bad then they need to be disposed of.

I'm sorry, but that is wrong. It goes against a Knight's code. The elders must always be respected.

	03-06-2002 00:37									#191
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quote: That's a circular argument. They aren't used as often because they are considered 'bad'. Why are they considered that way? Because they aren't used as often?!

It's not circular. People want words with great impact. This can't happen if every little kid says them whenever they feel like it.

quote: This is like paranoia. People with hats are more secretive? I don't buy that for a second. Why are hats a divider, but more clothes considered good (like a suit over shorts and t-shirt).

They aren't more secretive necessarily, it is just that is how it come out to some people. Hats are different from other clothing because they are near the face. It is like having a collar up.

quote: I'm sorry, but that is wrong. It goes against a Knight's code. The elders must always be respected.

If the King is bad, you need a new king. That is how it went.

	03-06-2002 00:40									#192
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quote: It's not circular. People want words with great impact. This can't happen if every little kid says them whenever they feel like it.

Apoc, I don't think THIS is why the words were banned. I think they were banned because Americans are prudes and don't like words for sex, and for some reason people don't like words for defication.

quote: Hats are different from other clothing because they are near the face. It is like having a collar up.

And what's wrong with having a collar up!!

Since I have long sideburns, does that mean I'm a divider .

quote: If the King is bad, you need a new king. That is how it went.

My, you need to revist Mideval History 101 . If the King was bad, you still had to follow him, because you were a knight. NO insubordination. The King was placed there by God.

	03-06-2002 00:41									#193
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Chivalry was about slaughtering peasants and infidels, and kissing up to big land-owners.

	03-06-2002 00:48									#194
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quote: Apoc, I don't think THIS is why the words were banned. I think they were banned because Americans are prudes and don't like words for sex, and for some reason people don't like words for defication.

Your reason is part of that.

quote: And what's wrong with having a collar up!! Since I have long sideburns, does that mean I'm a divider

Nothing is wrong with a collar up, it is just about the affect it has on people. I have long sideburns too. This isn't about being a divider, but more of keeping to yourself.

quote: My, you need to revist Mideval History 101 . If the King was bad, you still had to follow him, because you were a knight. NO insubordination. The King was placed there by God.

There were ways to get rid of kings, or at least making the best out of a bad situation. Some things they didn't view as necessarily bad though. And we are talking about Southern chivalry. We would have kicked Davis if the war lasted a little longer.

	03-06-2002 00:51									#195
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Chivalry was about slaughtering peasants and infidels, and kissing up to big land-owners.

Unbelievable how this is a reply t oa thread with the title "When can I call myself a Southerner"

Note to diary: a thread with more than 40 repleis will most liekly be threadjacked and is worth having a look into despite a more than boring thread title.

Yes, I have learned that only now after 2 years.

	03-06-2002 00:51									#196
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quote: Your reason is part of that.

Yes, and I also think that reason is silly .

quote: Nothing is wrong with a collar up, it is just about the affect it has on people. I have long sideburns too. This isn't about being a divider, but more of keeping to yourself.

There is nothing wrong with keeping to yourself. But, you know most people that I see wearing caps are the most social ones (they are usually drunk, but hey ).

quote: There were ways to get rid of kings, or at least making the best out of a bad situation. Some things they didn't view as necessarily bad though. And we are talking about Southern chivalry. We would have kicked Davis if the war lasted a little longer.

Yes, through an election, the way it is supposed to be done. You wouldn't have chopped off his head.

	03-06-2002 00:53									#197
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And how would kings and knights be related to the American south?

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quote: Unbelievable how this is a reply t oa thread with the title "When can I call myself a Southerner"

We are talking about Chivarly. It started with me saying how we Southerns are far more likely to say "hey" to you while passing by. It is all related.

quote: Yes, and I also think that reason is silly.

It doesn't matter what you think. People react to the words that way and you can't really change that. You must be polite.

quote: There is nothing wrong with keeping to yourself.

I have no problem with this. Like I mentioned early, few people know the real me. I'm just stating how people react.

quote: Yes, through an election, the way it is supposed to be done. You wouldn't have chopped off his head.

An election would not have worked. The South would have been much to cut off. He probably would be sent off somewhere while some form of congress took tempory control.

	03-06-2002 01:01									#199
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I don't say hey in big cities to everyone, but in a wood you can say good afternoon to anyone you meet.

Same for mountain paths, elevators in houses, stairs in houses, local offices, school teachers (even though many of them never reply ) etc.

Knights, however, don't say hey. They take their sword and beehad you. At least they do in some RPGs.

	03-06-2002 01:03									#200
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It's not about saying hey to everyone, just people you recognize.

	03-06-2002 01:04									#201
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Well, do Northerners not say hey to their friends when they meet them?

	03-06-2002 01:04									#202
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quote: It doesn't matter what you think. People react to the words that way and you can't really change that. You must be polite.

I must be polite to those I don't know. But if the 'lady' is a good friend, why watch your mouth around her, if she says the same?

quote: An election would not have worked. The South would have been much to cut off. He probably would be sent off somewhere while some form of congress took tempory control.

Would Texas have secceded from the CSA?

	03-06-2002 01:05									#203
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion Well, do Northerners not say hey to their friends when they meet them?

Yep, we do.

	03-06-2002 01:06									#204
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so what are you guys talking about then?

if all of them say hey to their friends, then what's the matter?

	03-06-2002 01:08									#205
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People here say hello to just about everyone they pass, regardless of whether or no they know the person.

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quote: Well, do Northerners not say hey to their friends when they meet them?

It is not just meeting them, but passing people by in hallways.

quote: I must be polite to those I don't know. But if the 'lady' is a good friend, why watch your mouth around her, if she says the same?

Well, if she says the same then she is not upholding her part and you can do whatever the heck you want to. It is never polite to be the first to curse unless you have good reason to.

quote: Would Texas have secceded from the CSA?

There was serious talk about it.

	03-06-2002 01:09									#207
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that's what I was talking about, and that was what y earlier post was about, but apparently someone had to correct me and narrow it down to people you recognise.

So southerners are like Europeans. Screw the impolite yanks.

	03-06-2002 01:11									#208
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Southerners are impolite to people who are not southerners as a rule of thumb.

ie: immigrants, homosexuals, what have you

For the true polite nation you must be in Canada. Everyone knows that.

	03-06-2002 01:11									#209
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Would Texas have secceded from the CSA?

South Carolina did.

	03-06-2002 01:12									#210
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So Southerners also say hi to people they pass in a mall?