02-06-2002 07:43									#151
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It shows that you are willing to do quite a bit to make her happy. It is good to show that to people in general. Back in early April I hurt my ankle. It was so swollen the large majority of people who looked at it thought it was broken. I didn't let that stop me and I still helped at my school's Junior High Speech Tournament for over 20 hours during the next two days. Everything turned out all right and my ankle is almost down to the size of the good one now.

	02-06-2002 07:44									#152
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"my dad , none better than him . nor both my grandpa's . my uncles and brother. "

Hmmmm… I note that of all the guys you mentioned, all except slowwhand where direct family…

It would be more apt then, to say that "guys in my family are the best in the world" or what have you.

I don't have much experience with southerners. I did know this nice extroverted Irish/Mexican girl from Florida called Mary however…

	02-06-2002 07:46									#153
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Yes, Apoc, but it is almost like the woman is taking advantage then.

	02-06-2002 07:49									#154
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What is so bad about women taking advantage of the help that I offer? That is like saying you won't use coupons because you don't want to take advantage of the half price soda (as you Northerns like to call it).

	02-06-2002 07:50									#155
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quote: What is so bad about women taking advantage of the help that I offer?

Taking advantage of people is different than taking advantage of prices, Apoc .

Taking advantage of people is never right, IMO.

	02-06-2002 07:52									#156
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It doesn't really harm me in any way. Might as well let someone be happy.

	02-06-2002 07:58									#157
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Stand up for yourself man . You have every right to be happy as those people do.

	02-06-2002 08:01									#158
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I do stand up for myself. I offer help. I really haven't been happy since November of '99. I may have the right but not the ability. I am able to appreciate the good things in life, but I really haven't felt happy in years.

	02-06-2002 09:45									#159
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A Question: Under the right circumstances, would you ever hit a woman?

	02-06-2002 09:46									#160
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quote: Originally posted by monolith94 "my dad , none better than him . nor both my grandpa's . my uncles and brother. " Hmmmm… I note that of all the guys you mentioned, all except slowwhand where direct family… It would be more apt then, to say that "guys in my family are the best in the world" or what have you. I don't have much experience with southerners. I did know this nice extroverted Irish/Mexican girl from Florida called Mary however…

well we have a strong family unit and
slowwhand is family to me.

from what i have known in my life
we are typical southern folks.

	02-06-2002 10:03									#161
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi A Question: Under the right circumstances, would you ever hit a woman?

Only if she hit me first.

	02-06-2002 21:51									#162
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui And yes, John is right, ethnic food is better in the North. Can't find a damn good pizza place anywhere down there .

Pizza in the South is inedible. Despite the large number of Italians down here, they just can't seem to get it right. Even the national chains suck worse down here. In Chicago, Domino's pizza is barely edible. Here's it's an offense to nature and man. And Mexican food,

Still I have found some decent ethnic food, Middle Eastern and Korean. The Sushi and Japanese food is okay, if you go to the little places and not the big chains.

	02-06-2002 21:53									#163
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quote: A Question: Under the right circumstances, would you ever hit a woman?

I go with Dino, if she hit me first.

However, what do you mean by 'right circumstances'?

	02-06-2002 21:55									#164
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Only if she hit me first.

Not even then. It's acceptable to hit a woman if she's threatening to harm someone or she's bigger an stronger than you, but not because she's already hit you (unless she's trying to hit you again-and even then if she's not strong enough to hurt you you shouldn't hit back). You should never hit anyone, especially not someone weaker than you.

	02-06-2002 21:56									#165
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quote: Not even then. It's acceptable to hit a women if she's threatening to harm someone or she's bigger an stronger than you, but not because she's already hit you (unless she's trying to hit you again-and even then if she's not strong enough to hurt you you shouldn't hit back). You should never hit anyone, especially not someone weaker than you.

That is asuming she IS weaker than you . Many women are quite strong, che .

	02-06-2002 22:02									#166
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I'd just push her away, if I had to do anything. That way, the force is spread so there is less chance of her getting hurt.

	02-06-2002 22:04									#167
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara You should never hit anyone, especially not someone weaker than you.

I'm not a pacifist, che. I will defend myself against someone trying to physically attack me, even if it is a woman.

	02-06-2002 22:04									#168
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Bunnygrrl comes from a strong matriarchal family. While I might be able to outpower her, her mother, her aunts, a few of her cousins, and maybe even her grandmother could take me out. I am well aware of the power of a woman.

	02-06-2002 22:08									#169
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc I'm not a pacifist, che. I will defend myself against someone trying to physically attack me, even if it is a woman.

I'm not a pacifist either, but there are other ways to defend yourself than inflecting physical harm on someone. You can walk or run away, for example. You can push the person away. You can dodge until they feel foolish. Physical violence, even in self-defence, should be a last resort.

Besdies, she might have bigger friends and family who might not see things the way you do. Or the police might not take your word that you were defending yourself.

	02-06-2002 23:14									#170
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You don't like grits, che?!?!? Looks like someone needs to be re-educated.

You must at least like liver and onions.

	02-06-2002 23:21									#171
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One other thing about chivalry I never got:

Watch your mouth in front of a lady. Well women curse just as much as men these days (as well they should), so what's the point of that anymore?

	02-06-2002 23:29									#172
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It's not good to cuss in general. It also makes you seem less mature. And I don't know about you, but I can't stand little girls (and boys) cussing when there is little reason to.

	02-06-2002 23:30									#173
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I like cursing. It brings more emotion into the words. Cursing is good and people should do it more . Why are these words censored anyway?

	02-06-2002 23:33									#174
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I didn't have real pizza until I went north, that is for sure. The closest thing the South has to a decent pizza chain is the regional "Mellow Mushroom" chain of pizzerias (1 in Athens GA, a few in Atlanta, 1 in Knoxville, some others probably) where the ingredients are different from the other pizzerias... they're fresh.

Hey, Imran! My wife bought a child-rearing book a few months ago after the baby was born and is really trying to follow it's precepts... How to Raise a Lady. Here are some heartless, cruel rules for you to get into a lather about and bring up at the next Womyn's Issue Awareness Raising meeting (or wherever you're getting your indoctrination):

... Always, always use "Please", "Thank You", and "You're Welcome."

... Non-familial adults should always be addressed by "Sir" or "Ma'am." This should last as a blanket rule until the age of 15 or so, then the child should be allowed to make allowances (as well as if the adult asks otherwise).

... she must remove all headgear (except for kerchiefs) upon sitting down to eat.

... she must bow her head and is respectful of any blessing before meals, regardless of faith.

... While introductions are being performed, she does not roll her eyes, scowl, or otherwise show extreme displeasure when an adult relative is determined to pinch her cheek, pat her head, or hug her, but simply puts up with it the best she can. She will be confronted with far more unappealing social situations later in her life.

Rules for the parents:

... Always, always use "Please", "Thank You", and "You're Welcome".

... Never, ever correct your child in public on his/her manners.

... Always knock before entering their room, even for 3 year olds.

... Let your child know when a discussion has become a decision.

... Always include your daughter when performing introductions.

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	02-06-2002 23:33									#175
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Oh, and cursing is bad manners. For boys and girls.

	02-06-2002 23:38									#176
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quote: I like cursing. It brings more emotion into the words. Cursing is good and people should do it more . Why are these words censored anyway?

I like cursing too, but it is used too often in many cases. The words lose their impact for when they really need to be used.

quote: Non-familial adults should always be addressed by "Sir" or "Ma'am." This should last as a blanket rule until the age of 15 or so, then the child should be allowed to make allowances (as well as if the adult asks otherwise). She does not roll her eyes, scowl, or otherwise show extreme displeasure when an adult relative is determined to pinch her cheek, pat her head, or hug her, but simply puts up with it the best she can. She will be confronted with far more unappealing social situations later in her life.

These are the only two I have a problem with.

	02-06-2002 23:41									#177
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I like bad manners then .

I don't understand why these certain words are banned. Makes no sense... other than, we've been doing it for years.

And why do you remove your hat while eating? So your cap doesn't get dirty ? And I've never called anyone 'Sir' or "Ma'am' unless I'm at work .

	02-06-2002 23:42									#178
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quote: These are the only two I have a problem with.

I have a problem with the first one as well. The 2nd one, well I can see why. Spare the manners of the family relative, you'll have to deal with them later.

	02-06-2002 23:43									#179
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Having grown up watching Xena, Buffy, and the like, I would never hit a woman. There's the risk she'll pull out a sword and chop my head off.

Slapping, pulling hair, and scratching are all fair game however.

	02-06-2002 23:47									#180
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quote: I don't understand why these certain words are banned. Makes no sense... other than, we've been doing it for years.

They are censored hear because otherwise someone's parents might send a nasty e-mail to Apolyton. Not that anything bad would really happen, it just isn't worth it. And besides, seeing the word that is short for Richard censored is funny.

quote: And why do you remove your hat while eating?

Wearing a hat means that you want to be somewhere else because you want to leave the eating area as soon as possible. Guys are expected to do this too.

quote: The 2nd one, well I can see why. Spare the manners of the family relative, you'll have to deal with them later.

It's just that I've heard too many accounts of girls getting abused by their realitives.