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Chris 62
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But I'm feeling MUCH better now
Jan 2001
time: 00:19
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Your forgetting two things Waku, first, I was ALLOWED to keep mine, as compensation for being stuck in Republic, and second, you must give notice before attacking, and disrupting my terrain IS an attack.
I find your attitude horrendous, if it means that damn much to you, attack the colony.
I already consider you a treaty breaker.
"helping me...", yaeh, right.
If you intend to attack, declare war properly, as we all agreed.
I hope you feel proud attacking a player you outnumber 4 to one.
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Chris 62
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But I'm feeling MUCH better now
Jan 2001
time: 00:19
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quote:
Originally posted by Waku
WHAT? have I agreed to allow you to keep them? I'd be stoned
If it's for you an attack just act accordingly, I'm fed up of your neverending victim song.
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Fed up, are you?
I always considered you a good friend, but as of late, you seem increasingly hostile.
It was agreed, as compensation, for the FACT that all of you get THREE unit builds before your city draws a shield, I get ZERO.
As for being victim, what do you expect?
I can't produce free units at all, I didn't even have farmers for a long time.
My AIM works, I would be willing to discuss the matter, or PM if you like, your PM box is full, I TRIED to send messages.
When you cut communication, how can we talk?
Last edited by Chris 62 on 04-01-2003 at 20:32
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Chris 62
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But I'm feeling MUCH better now
Jan 2001
time: 00:19
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We discussed it, on IM, but it's alright.
If you like, I'll give you my entire map, you can see my entire holdings if you like, I'm not adverse to it, you are still my ally.
I have sent you an e-mail as well.
As for hostile, I can see why you would be upset, but view it from my side also, I thought we had agreed to this, and your slave came and ended 2 food, and 2 shields, and can't make the tile airable.
Didn't you once declare war over some bananas?  
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Chris 62
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But I'm feeling MUCH better now
Jan 2001
time: 00:19
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Your free to attack, statecraft is different from other matters.
I only asked to be left alone, because frankly, I have no chance.
You can read the unit amounts, the same as I, do you doubt that you could take most of my nation?
The last time I looked I had about 88 units, in 45 colonies, you had something like 240 units!
Plus I cannot produce units with any speed, the new world has little production, and the old world supports what military I have.
If your determined to attack, I only ask you give me two turns, I will perpare what defenses I can.
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Chris 62
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But I'm feeling MUCH better now
Jan 2001
time: 00:19
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I don't mind going to war John, I would like to ride the scenario out, but Manolo is right, war is part of the game.
I leave it to Spain, I will abide by whatever Waku wants, because I believe that no ill will was intentioned, and I made him angry, because I was, but that is no excuse.
Spain has been a good ally all the way, and I should have been more polite in asking why the slave acted as it did.
At any rate, I hope your not mad Manolo, after all, we have been beating each other for a long time at civ, it's just a silly game.
I'll play later.
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Patient English
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Sussex, England
Dec 2000
time: 05:19
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OK, Chris. Thanks for clearing the air!
If Holland is to be treated in the same way as Spain (and England & France too, for that matter), the special resources you get by transforming hills should not be allowed. Please plunder or otherwise un-transform them, if possible.
It was indeed true that Holland was disadvantaged in the early game by her Government form, (and maybe we allowed you the hill-transform then to compensate a bit, I can't remember) but with modern industrial improvements cranking out shields, you should have little problem now. Bristol, for example, produces 54 shields a turn, and the 3 "free" shields are not really significant. Holland has more, and bigger cities in the New World than England, and should be a real contender in any battle there.
How do you want to proceed, Waku?
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Chris 62
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But I'm feeling MUCH better now
Jan 2001
time: 00:19
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I'm affraid your FAR misinformed John, even with the King Richards wonder, New Amsterdam Barely makes 30 shields.
No other city even comes close, a look at the map shows why, the Dutch cities are all placed with no hills nearby to mine, and it's forced to share sea spaces with it's own cities and others as well.
An example, keeping in mind that every unit built deminishes the capacity, and these cities have factory and Iron foundry:
Antwerpt: 25 sheilds
Amsterdam 21
Den Haag: 20
Buffalo, which has a mine: 24
Holland is totally out of balence, and should not be played in a mulit-player scenario, this nation, it's government and starting postion are completly unable to compete.
You will notice bristol has hills to mine, Holland has none.
The only place that has the land in question is Willemstadt (1), city shield production 11
Perto Cabello (1) city shield production 7
Caracas (1) CSP 22 (there is a mine nearby)
Running deer (3) CSP 12
Cherrokee valley (1) CSP 11
Anybody here STILL think it is fair to deprive me of even THIS?
In fact, I see Waku about to do this to the Spanish Main., and I'm STILL mad about it, who made Spain the Policemen of our game, to go destroy a weak ally's land?
No John, I DON'T think it's fair to order them destroyed, especially since you guys agreed I can have them, and now at the end, I must destroy them and be attacked?
And you consider this fair?
Because Waku thinks he's been treated badly, I said leave it to him, but don't try to sell me that this is in some way the right thing to do, this entire scenario is for three players, Holland is hopless against the living, and what small advantage I have must be removed because the STRONGEST player objects?
Maybe you guys should just let the AI handle holland from now on, if you all think this is fair.
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