14-12-2002 15:21									#241
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quote: Originally posted by Waku something to do with the terrain bug?

Yes and I told Javier to get ahold of you Manolo, in case he needed a password. His hex editing skills may fix this and a big pillaging problem that Pap1723 is having in 2194 Days of War Giga Map.

Thanks!

	14-12-2002 16:05									#242
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I don't know just what he can get out of savegames though; if the problem is anywhere it would be in the scenario or the scenario files.

	14-12-2002 19:35									#243
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Hi, guys!

I try to replicate the problem that Patient English has with pillage, and I can not. After breaking the

English password (sorry, I need to do that in order to test the pillage ), I can load the game (I use the

last United Province's file) and pillage without problems (I get the dialog!), so the problem isn't related

with the savegame, I think.

So, I need more information, and I ask Patient English (well, and Darius on 2194) for

- Tell me what SO they're using
- Tell me what Civ2 Version (Cedric's Patch? Civ2 1.3?) they're using
- Send me their game.txt file (not the scen's one, but the one in Civ2 main directory)
- Send me their scen's game.txt file and the other txt files
- Any other info you think that is related to the problem.

The only way I have in order to not get the dialog is to delete the @PILLAGEMENU in Game.txt file. Had you
tried to move @PILLAGEMENU to the start of Game.txt?

	14-12-2002 21:31									#244
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Yaroslav,

Thanks for doing this. I can send you all that info, if I know what SO stands for. I have used FW to develop, BTW, so people who don't have MGE (quite a lot, especially in Europe) can still play. The only one of my scenarios developed in MGE is my current project: Colonies IV.

Can you email or PM me your email address?

John

	14-12-2002 22:00									#245
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John

I emailed both you and Javier so you guys can talk.

Steve K

	14-12-2002 23:40									#246
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I have an idea...
I used to have problems negotiating with the AI in some scenarios, after the intial greting text the negotiations where terminated witout notice (when the box with my choises was supposed to popup I was thrown back to the main world view) I was able to get rid of this problem by detoggling the negotiation "background images" (don't remember what civ calsl them), ie the herald and the graphics which show the king portrait, some techs, etc.
When I detoggled that in the game options things worked fine, I'm wondering if this could be related?

Again just like here all players didn't have this problem, regardless of thier options some got the full negotiations.

Just an idea...

	14-12-2002 23:50									#247
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quote: Originally posted by Henrik I have an idea... I used to have problems negotiating with the AI in some scenarios, after the intial greting text the negotiations where terminated witout notice (when the box with my choises was supposed to popup I was thrown back to the main world view) I was able to get rid of this problem by detoggling the negotiation "background images" (don't remember what civ calsl them), ie the herald and the graphics which show the king portrait, some techs, etc. When I detoggled that in the game options things worked fine, I'm wondering if this could be related? Again just like here all players didn't have this problem, regardless of thier options some got the full negotiations. Just an idea...

Henrik

I have all my graphic options turned off and I still cant get the diplo screen where you offer or demand stuff. And none of my Colonies PBEM's works. (And this is theonly one I know of that Im NOT in.) Had that problem in SP as well.

	15-12-2002 00:27									#248
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Siege of Paris lifted!!!
As the english sacrificed their momentum, not daring to storm our glorious capital city of Paris the French high command, having regrouped thier forces decided to strike back with full force.
The fighting was heavy but in the end the French royal army was victorious and all brittish troops beseiging Paris was totaly anihilated.
3 batteries of siege guns where found in the northern trenches, all of which where destroyed.
However the french royal army has been unable destroy the trenches themselves as the fighting involved in freeing them up took a heavy tolll upon our forces. However, one grenadier regiment has been sent into the trenches to make it harder for any brittish attempt to recapture the trenches and reuse them.
The French army is confident that the brittish expiditionary force is going to be thrown back into the sea from whence it came!

Furthermore the bahamas islands have been incorporated fully into the french empire now.

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	15-12-2002 00:28									#249
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 I have all my graphic options turned off and I still cant get the diplo screen where you offer or demand stuff. And none of my Colonies PBEM's works. (And this is theonly one I know of that Im NOT in.) Had that problem in SP as well.

Ok, sorry, just a thought

	15-12-2002 00:56									#250
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quote: Originally posted by Henrik Furthermore the bahamas islands have been incorporated fully into the french empire now.

you'll pay for it

	15-12-2002 01:50									#251
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 I have all my graphic options turned off and I still cant get the diplo screen where you offer or demand stuff. And none of my Colonies PBEM's works. (And this is theonly one I know of that Im NOT in.) Had that problem in SP as well.

John, this is EXACTLY the problem I described long ago, when we started, and it was NEVER resolved.

Do you (Steve is it?) have this problem in any other scenario?
I have seen this only with Kobayshi's scenarios, besides John's that is.
I believe the problem is linked with fooling with ability to use diplomats/spies, but I can't prove it.

Henrik, what exactly did you change?

Getting back to John, I use MGE exclusivly, there are several differences between FW and MGE, you should really build scenarios only in MGE (I had a long talk with Exile about this), it seems the FW AI is not as aggressive, and the x2+ objectives ONLY work in FW or lower.
If you make colonies in FW, the AI civs will not expand nor attack as agressivly, better to use MGE.

I don't know about the pillage thing, oddly enough, it's never come up in games I have played in.

	15-12-2002 02:06									#252
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quote: Originally posted by Patient English Yaroslav, Thanks for doing this. I can send you all that info, if I know what SO stands for. I have used FW to develop, BTW, so people who don't have MGE (quite a lot, especially in Europe) can still play. The only one of my scenarios developed in MGE is my current project: Colonies IV. Can you email or PM me your email address? John

Well, Stephen had already sent my email address to you. Sorry SO is OS (typo error), that meas, Operating System (Windows or Mac OS that are you using)

Please send me all the info

	15-12-2002 02:36									#253
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quote: Originally posted by Chris 62 John, this is EXACTLY the problem I described long ago, when we started, and it was NEVER resolved. Do you (Steve is it?) have this problem in any other scenario? I have seen this only with Kobayshi's scenarios, besides John's that is. I believe the problem is linked with fooling with ability to use diplomats/spies, but I can't prove it. Henrik, what exactly did you change?

Chris, no all the other scenarios Ive played it has not come up. I have not played any of Kobyashi's however. And the funny thing is that it seems like an isolated problem, Im the only one I know of in two other games that has this problem. After Javier gets done with pillaging I may have him look into it because he seems to be our resident programming whizz, at least the one I know and like the best.

	15-12-2002 02:36									#254
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quote: Originally posted by Chris 62 Do you (Steve is it?) have this problem in any other scenario? I have seen this only with Kobayshi's scenarios, besides John's that is. Henrik, what exactly did you change?

Graphic Options->uncheck Diplomacy Screen (as well as animated heralds I think, though I guess one can't exist witout the other).

I used to have this problem in Exiles Imperialism 1870 scenario.

As for developing scenarios under fw/mge there is no difference except for the fact that "major" objectives are counted as no objectives by MGE.
The AI is indeed different in the versions but it won't affect the scenario, if a scenario is played with FW the AI will act as the FW AI (less agressive and backstabbing) and if it's played with MGE it'll play as it does in MGE (no treaty will be worth anyting to it), regardless of which verison the scenario is created with.
However it is probably still wise to playtest with MGE as that is what most people will be using (and the only version that can play pbems).

	15-12-2002 07:16									#255
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The French Army counterattacked at Amiens (North of Paris). The siege of Paris has recommenced. More heavy artillery is on its way, and three whole divisions are now dug in north of the French Capital.

An exploratory attack on Metz was easily repulsed, so no further troops were wasted on that direction.

One French and one English Grenadier regiment killed, one French & one English Dragoon regiment also destroyed.

Two more French mining villages wiped out in the continuing chevauchee.

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	15-12-2002 22:17									#256
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quote: Originally posted by Patient English Two more French mining villages wiped out in the continuing chevauchee.

Why can't you leave my poor villagers alone?

	16-12-2002 04:01									#257
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Like I said, Henrik - Chevauchee. You were doing the same thing to my mining villages a few turns ago, for the same reason.



Sue for peace, and I'll stop. Otherwise, I have plenty more troops. I suspect most of your spare units are in America...In any event, you'll be running out of cities in France soon...

	16-12-2002 11:54									#258
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Btw another suggestions for colonies 4, if there are still boarding parties (I think you told me but I've forgotten) make the later flintlock type units have the fighter flag, that way regular troops will be able to "scramble" if there is a raiding party attacking (as it is now, grenadiers are often killed by boarding parties). The popup could be something along the lines of "Garrisoned troops at [cityname] try to repell [civname] raiders" or somesuch...

	16-12-2002 21:33									#259
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Henrik, there is something to that idea, although it might compromise another scenario feature. I'll email you the details and we'll discuss it.

Thanks,

John

	17-12-2002 00:15									#260
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Holland continues to increase our forces, and we note that Britain has taken severe losses.

Back to the diplo thing, I can't even move the ambassador into an enemy city, nothing happens, no pop=up screen at all.

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	17-12-2002 00:25									#261
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quote: Originally posted by Chris 62 Back to the diplo thing, I can't even move the ambassador into an enemy city, nothing happens, no pop=up screen at all.

Yep part of the same problem I had.

	17-12-2002 01:56									#262
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Sorry if i stick into it, but i got a similar problem... french grenadiers turned into bibe units. Anyone got an idea of that source?

	17-12-2002 02:32									#263
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• An abondoned english fort occupied in New England...
  
• Two english cavalry units anhiliated, no french losses.
  
• Man of war blocking the river mouth at Fort Tadoussac boarded and sunk.
  

While french mines continues to be attacked french cities also continue to churn out more and more grenadiers...

quote: Henrik, there is something to that idea, although it might compromise another scenario feature. I'll email you the details and we'll discuss it.

Ok

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	18-12-2002 02:49									#264
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it is getting very tedious to hit always the frenchies, I'm itching to hit you too John

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	18-12-2002 02:51									#265
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the file...

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	18-12-2002 04:15									#266
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Paris again brought under bombardment.

It only cost you one Boarding Party to take out a Man o' War? Wow. Those guys are too stong in MP. AEGIS flags all round!

We ask our Allies, the Dutch, how it is that a French army has marched blithely through their territory to lay seige to New Haven? We trust the French will be asked to leave immediately! This is a clear breach of Dutch neutrality, let alone our official alliance!

And it is true that the English have lost many men. However, the French have lost more, in every major category but one. Britain has also taken four French cities.

Quebec has been re-invested.

quote: it is getting very tedious to hit always the frenchies, I'm itching to hit you too John

But where, that is the question....I know it is only a matter of time.

	18-12-2002 10:55									#267
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Well I did attack with two boarding parties john, but only one of them died.

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Holland offically requests that French forces vacate the fortifacations above New Amsterdam, this is a CLEAR violation of the Dutch nation.

Holland has no grevence with France, and wishes only friendly relations.

HOWEVER, we MUST insist our territory not be violated in this fashion.

As for England, our alliance is defensive, John Bull enacted this war in a foolhardy fashion, so don't cry in our Heiniken if it's going poorly!

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	18-12-2002 20:20									#269
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While we dissagree, and feel that the territory is really English territory and as such valid for occupation, however we will move the troops in due time.
Meanwhile Holland might ponder the troops they have in French territory just outside La Chicasaw Riviere...

No actions where taken in Europe however several raids has been conducted against the beseigers of Quebeck, French regular troops has been able to rout most of the soldiers stationed in the vincinity of Quebeck and some of their lighter artillery has been destroyed.
However the French troops where unable to reach the seige guns that presumably the investing army brought with them

War is fun

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	18-12-2002 23:51									#270
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Thanks for your action, my Dutch friend. Of course, we know our actions were foolhardy, but they are bringing us much pleasure!

quote: War is fun

(And not only us it seems)

I thought this was what our little game needed. War is indeed fun (as long as no-one has to die for real).

Waku, are you sure that is the correct file? It seems to be from 1771.

EDIT: Looks like that post has disappeared. I await the next one with interest...